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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg on the para cast

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with Gene and Chris we have two

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interesting fascinating guests of course

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my old friend Tim Buckley whom I've

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known for four or five hundred years in

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various incarnations he joins us Tim do

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you event our special guest is Ray

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beep Palmer he's a son of the UFO and a

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cult legendary editor and publisher Ray

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Palmer of course he's not jr. he's

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Raymond B and worse Ray Palmer was

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Raymond a will talk about the life and

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times of Ray Palmer and how ray B Palmer

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interacted with a lot of the interesting

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people in the UFO field including

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Richard shaver who lived just down the

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road now as those of you who have known

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me for years will realize I met Ray

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Palmer back in the mid 1960s that ages

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me and I don't know if you were at home

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at the time ray B or not but I visited

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your home in Amherst in 1965 with a

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group of people including Jim Mosely

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Rick hilberg and I have to think of the

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other person it was Allen Greenfield and

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I spent about a half hour interviewing

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ray about a number of different subjects

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including Richard shaver the shaver

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mystery some of his experiences and the

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response that amazing stories received

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to the shaver mystery I thought it was

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really fascinating so ray welcome to the

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Parra cast and I'm going to ask you one

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simple question growing up in that

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environment they'd get you really

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curious about the mysteries of our

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lifetime well back then it wasn't quite

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so much I just grew up with it so it was

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normal to me I would say I didn't

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actually restart reading shaver stuff

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and science fiction stuff till later

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years now at the time and I guess when

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we talk about 1965 you must have been a

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teenager then right okay so at that

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particular point in time you're just

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going to school

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and you didn't care about this neighbor

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down the road Richard shaver but did you

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ever talk to him about his experiences

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oh yes I didn't I didn't say I didn't

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it's just that I just grew up with him

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and I remember going up there and I'd

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always he'd serious stories and yet his

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rocks and he'd be showing well my sister

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be up there to Jennifer and myself and

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he'd show us the rocks and show us the

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pictures in there and so yes there was

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just sort of an everyday occurrence now

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as our listeners know Richard shaver

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claimed to spend time in the caves with

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creatures known as the D Rho and the T

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Rho but later in his life he was dealing

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with something called rock books which

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were like crystalline rocks do I take it

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right here Rea that he said contained

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the knowledge of the Ancients oh yes and

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again I went with him rock hunting back

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then so it wasn't in later years

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actually it was because I was 15 as well

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as I went rocks I mean with him when I

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was 10 or 11 - we just go up to the rock

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piles around the area and pick up rocks

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and he'd look at him and taught me good

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stuff then

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Lemmy couldn't and he had all this

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elaborate systems with the rock and he

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had the lenses trying to look at the

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rocks to see if there was something

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there and I think the people who were

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critical would say this is just some

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kind of Rorschach test you see what you

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think you're gonna see in these prints

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he made of the rocks

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what did you think well just watching

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the way he'd looked at them I just

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member years ago and these magic eye

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books came out do you remember those

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some people would look at him you

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couldn't see any pictures but then saw

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the people you look at and you see the

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pictures in them and I just remember

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shaver looking at the rock the same way

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that you look at those books it just was

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a certain way to look at them and they

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were as he said they were 3d and I could

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never really see him I look sometime and

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I guess several times I have seen

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exactly what he said and it is

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remarkable but I can't repeat the thing

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but just because I can't repeat it

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doesn't mean it wasn't true because I've

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done that on other other things where

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I've done one thing one time and never

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been able to repeat it I have to tell

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you that my first wife Geneva and I were

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able to sometimes see things

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my name is pronounced so I don't know if

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that's us or what times I have it is

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quite remarkable so you think well okay

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maybe have something but it's just

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something I haven't been able to repeat

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consistently now we should explain here

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that his dad ray a Palmer or our ap as

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he was known was one of the pioneer

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science fiction editors he'd worked with

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amazing stories magazine and as I was

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mentioning here before we started this

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flop but I kind of liked the movie was

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novels John Carter of Mars a Princess of

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Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs now Ray

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of Mars novels in amazing stories

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magazine and then he also got involved

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in the shaver mystery now what do you

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remember about your dad and his

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involvement in shavers particular story

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first I'll go with you like there go

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Rice Burroughs things because I remember

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I was young my dad would read Tiger Eyes

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pearls looks to me and so I got

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interested in a Tarzan series and later

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one time and somewhere in amazing

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stories one of those editorials one of

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the reason he was doing science fiction

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was to stimulate people's minds so the

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imagination he said imagination is very

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important because we have nothing

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without imagination this makes no

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knowledge but if you don't have

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imagination you don't get the knowledge

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or doesn't three it's not created so yes

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that and did this stimulate 99 science

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fiction too so I didn't I wasn't a

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computer back then did you ever think of

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trying to write yourself I I do but I

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think writing has missed my generation

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you know I got terminal writer's block

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work that takes every other generation

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I'm not sure but you're involved in more

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of the publishing individually printing

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and everything yes my dad my dad did the

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yes the thinking you night did the hard

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work not the hard work but the brute

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work you called so it takes two one to

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produce one to think about it wanted to

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produce it so we worked out pretty good

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now after his passing you continued to

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publish some of his books and republish

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them right

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yes and I still do actually don't do too

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much in the flying saucers at the 50th

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anniversary out of kind of timeless 18 I

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still had the an old copy of the coming

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a saucer so I didn't reprint that they

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and I issued the I haven't had the very

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first radio broadcast like Kenneth

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Arnold made so oh do tell what did you

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ever meet Kenneth Arnold oh yes he came

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of him where he landed the plane up in

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farmer's field which made quite a stir

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around here so just a flat field up out

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at the top of the hill here and then the

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farmer came down with Kenneth on the car

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say he just landed playing my field now

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the big story about Kenneth are of

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course first of all is his sighting on

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June 24 1947 did you talk to him about

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well my part of him and Dad talking and

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I did meet him probably

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and we talked about that somewhat and

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then we talked about his other other

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things he was doing

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but again as far as my firm that my

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father and Kenneth Onam talked about

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prove what they were because he got

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ridiculed so much and you want to prove

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yes he saw these things do you want

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prove what they were but they never did

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say it like they were from outer space

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or anything even if you listened to his

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first radio broadcast he thought there

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were might have been on military secret

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planes well actually if I could just say

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well here at gene I had a little

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correspondence recently with someone in

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my own family and actually Ken Arnold I

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think had something like seven or eight

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other area sightings and he did not

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consider the one around not when he had

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to be the best of observations he

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actually believed that these were not

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crabs from other planets but might have

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been some sort of mechanism where the

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soldier The Departed pass over to the

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other side I mean he had some fairly

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unusual conceptions and it's kind of

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interesting that you hear people you

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his shyness at all but yet they have

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knowledge of his actual background you

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home and Idaho I believe it's really

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over Iowa Idaho and he actually said

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that invisible beings came into the into

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his house there even reported one time

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seeing a rocking chair swaying back and

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okay this gets more and more elaborate

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and we're going to continue with

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remembrances of Kenneth Arnold Richard

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shaver Ray Palmer with Ray be Palmer Tim

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Beckley with Gene and Kris you're in the

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you know for many of us so much of our

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from the Industrial Age to the Space Age

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6,000 years gold has remained the

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ultimate store of wealth according to

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Raymond Ray Palmer the co-founder of

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fate magazine the person who brought the

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shaver mystery one of the pioneers in

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the UFO field and we have Tim Beck Lee

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sometimes called mr. UFO Tim you're

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going to tell us more about the more

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unusual beliefs of Kenneth Arnold yeah

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like I said he thought that these crafts

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might have actually been living in sort

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of living entities and that he thought

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that they came from some other round or

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some other dimension he didn't buy into

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the heads of planetary very that much

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and he even lead which is about

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conception but I have heard it repeated

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I think John we are kind of disgusted

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sirs that they are so I'm sorry device

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that carries the soldiers departed over

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into the next route the hero acting now

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that would come as a surprise to a lot

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of people who looked at Kenneth Arnold

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was someone had a pretty straight ahead

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kind of guy and that's the most person

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most people are very shocked you like

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telling the story but because I do even

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the information I got from his family

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member I hadn't read this before the

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local paper where he lived a little

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energy with a baby about 30 years ago

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just before passing and went into some

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of this other material so it's not you

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know like I'm the only person that knows

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about it because it has been it has been

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repeated I'm not saying that father was

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a true icon you know we totally where

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the icon around today like almost it's

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almost nothing anybody who's on a

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reality show is an icon suddenly but is

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that really wasn't I

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John and many people say it wasn't for

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Ray pablor there would be no flying

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saucer in this case I just want to

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interject a little bit I have a

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different version of that story which

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I've heard from my mother and although I

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had some dictaphone tapes from Kenneth

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Errol and you I believe it again from

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his tapes he was more his wife that went

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into the more the mystical or spiritual

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one and actually they had quite a few

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arguments about that just kind of found

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you didn't eat he was like say nothing

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both he didn't he didn't believe in that

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so whether I got some of the tapes here

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yet and I did take them to one I'm some

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victim to a radio station to have him

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try and get the dick don't work but then

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they disappeared so I don't have those

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anymore but again my sorry my

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remembrance of that I might have copy

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that yes that one that he again the

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spiritualist was was more of his wife

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thinking and Kenneth Donald didn't

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really agree with that and yes if he did

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think they moved and acted like living

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objects oh yes I've heard I've heard him

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say that now I know that some other

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people have written about possibly

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living UFOs but with Arnold we always

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think of the Maury island case which was

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a subject of the coming of the saucers

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his portion of that book that he wrote

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with your father

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what was your knowledge about that

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incident Maury island well I still have

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one of the fragments from Murray Island

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you do tell me more oh now dad had

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several the fragments and over the years

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so my dad would give away everything my

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mom would drive my mom crazy because

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some people would come and he would say

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they'd want any give it to him so we

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still had the one fragment left and

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people have asked me to analyze as I've

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said I sent out pieces and I got one guy

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said well Terry there should be but

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again what does it mean and my trouble

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is when Dad had a mantle I believe yet

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didn't analyze that this was the fact

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that he got from Brisbane and he had a

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met one analyze that he said a us deal

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and one at news Northwestern University

433
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but my trouble is I don't have the

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original analysis so we can now analyze

435
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these but without the originals if

436
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interfere up a lot of loose ends always

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how big is the sample that you still

438
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have oh it's probably decide oh one half

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by one and a half inches we're talking

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about Nazi yeah inter then probably 1/4

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inch thick not quite that and I remember

442
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reading one time he said let's see he

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had a fragment in his office as if Davis

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in the FBI came and they're talking

445
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about it you'd have to go back an

446
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amazing story it smarts was like a

447
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research project and you said that the

448
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FBI we're talking about this and here

449
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that he had one of the fragments sitting

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in front of them using as an ashtray or

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something like that sounds like he was

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having a laugh at their expense

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yep and he also mentioned at that time

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the fragment when he had first

455
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originally got it was a light-colored

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and it turned dark and the last time I

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bought a little piece off in the Senate

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with somebody yes when you pick it up if

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it's white colored on the inside this

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are our listeners know about what we're

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talking about here these are the

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fragments that fell in the wake of the

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UFO sighting at Maury island well these

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are fragments that friend Chrisman said

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and again that's told him now did you

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have any opinion about Crispin and what

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he said well I just what I like if I

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never met him and I just what I've read

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on me in my dad's magazine Christmas

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said one thing that's another thing but

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I'm pretty sure dad Ming didn't make

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anything of that up so again I know

473
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nothing about Crispin really liking that

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formally known but pinyin about that

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well some people thought he was a kind

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of deceptive sort of person again what I

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read and all I can go with some people

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fortunately for my father who he said he

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wrote down everything he thought about

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everything so people are really

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interested in it's more like a research

482
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project you just have to find issue that

483
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he wrote him in and you get it right

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from the horse's mouth just a little big

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so he had does that then went on what he

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thinks Chrisman was doing or what you

487
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said about him yes he was editing

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amazing stories he wrote this in which

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he published about being the trapped in

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a cave and

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he's very hard against the bureau and

492
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that was the first I think advantage

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from Chrisman and then published a few

494
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other letters over the over the years

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yes that's possible again there's some

496
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mountain of material that my dad wrote

497
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and everything it's better finding it

498
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after all these years is there stuff he

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wrote that has never been published not

500
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too much I don't think

501
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in fact there's probably a lot that's

502
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been published that I don't know about

503
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even know I understand almost everything

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he he thought about her ideas about he

505
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put it as magazines so the magazine was

506
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very much like his blog and I didn't

507
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hear that

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was he a teenager when he first started

509
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writing he was writing science fiction

510
00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:36,249
of course oh yeah yeah I found his very

511
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first story the time ray of Kandra I

512
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actually have the first magazine that

513
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was published in oh my memories always

514
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terrible but I do have that and that he

515
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sold it when he was 18 he said and

516
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whether he he published it yeah like in

517
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fact I just moved yesterday or today I

518
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use my move my cabinet downstairs from

519
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where I'm talking so I actually had it

520
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but yeah I could find that out of

521
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somebody wanted to but yeah and I also

522
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:12,759
have a little he kept a record of all

523
00:22:18,539 --> 00:22:16,690
his stories he sold he had like a log

524
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book how many times you submitted them

525
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how many times they rejected all

526
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durations first time you've plagiarized

527
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and how much you made for each one

528
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plagiarized yep that doesn't sound too

529
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nice well like I see welcome to please

530
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with the idea that you have any other

531
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but well you have Raymond B Palmer

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joining us with Tim Buckley and gene and

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Chris you're in the para guest

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gene and Chris on the power cast were

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being visited by the canines in the

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neighborhood every time we bring up a

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UFO discussion they start barking and

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you have to think that we are now

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debating the et versus via coke theory

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of UFOs Raymond B Palmer joining us on

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the para Cass he's a son of Raymond a

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Palmer pioneer science fiction writer

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editor co-founder of fate magazine

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considered one of the people who first

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popularized the mystery of the flying

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saucers we also have Tim Beck Lee Ray

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and why didn't ask you about that about

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your dad because of his connection with

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fate magazine the early publication of

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UFO information he's considered almost

656
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the pioneer UFO researcher what do you

657
00:27:59,650 --> 00:27:57,290
have to say yes well again I do have a

658
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interview with my mom that I have on

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tape and whenever whenever the flying

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saucer story first came out that was

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interested in it and also because of the

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shaver mystery it did corroborate some

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of shavers stories and they had always

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wanted to try to find the more physical

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proof to save her stories so yes he was

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interested in that just to go off the

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subject this little when you started you

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said that cult

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what is your definition of the cult

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right now because my ID when talking to

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my mother and everything their deafness

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definition of their cult is much

673
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different than what it seemed it to be

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now the cult simply means to them the

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unknown are the unseen and today it

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seems to mean something different which

677
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I I'm not sure what it really means

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today I'm people mix it up with ghosts

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strange powers like ESP precognition

680
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that kind of thing yeah so where the

681
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original cult was well the unknown are

682
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unseen which is something existing but

683
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we still don't know what it is so it's

684
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something isn't it it's interesting to

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find out what things are so that was my

686
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dad's interest in which gift in that

687
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cult now let's go back to his time and

688
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amazing stories magazine and you know

689
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he's one of a number of science fiction

690
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magazine editors and they gets the

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material from Richard shaver what did he

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tell you about that again this was more

693
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from my mother and it's the same as my

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dad is always written about it so I know

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about that app and then I'm talking to

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my mother

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he first again you know we all know the

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story was a letter that came down we're

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brown which which then Howard brought

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one of the waste paper basket and my dad

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retrieved and then published the ancient

702
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alphabet but as far as his interaction

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with shaver he would my dad would go to

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New York once a month for Ziff Davis and

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on one of those trips he stopped in to

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see Richard shaver and that was a time

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when he talked to Richard and my dad

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always had a way of talking to people he

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had listened to people and they were

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that after a while they would think that

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actually he knew what they were talking

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about when actually he was just

713
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listening and just to gather information

714
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from him and a lot of people would open

715
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up to him more that way because he

716
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wouldn't criticize anything he would

717
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just simply listened and I guess they

718
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spent most of the night talking and then

719
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when Dad went to bed he heard the same

720
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voices that Richard was talking about

721
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:24,470
this is where Richard shaver is living

722
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in Pennsylvania at the time Yeah right

723
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and that night he was hearing these

724
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,080
voices and that obviously indicated they

725
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:34,880
have to have an external reality because

726
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as I remember what your father wrote

727
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is that you'd hear more than one person

728
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talking at the same time

729
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and if it was just shaver speaking in

730
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different voices that would be

731
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impossible

732
00:30:49,030 --> 00:30:47,510
yes that's what again you you could read

733
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:49,040
their account he has that pretty well

734
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:51,410
written in a lot of his stories so yes

735
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that's that state to get what it was and

736
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,890
when he woke up in the morning he sort

737
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of thought okay Richard shaver had some

738
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hidden microphones or something handy he

739
00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:01,280
looked around couldn't find any so again

740
00:31:04,990 --> 00:31:03,020
that was his interested in shaver and

741
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:05,000
one that happened to him he heard voices

742
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:08,690
and to the circulation of amazing

743
00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:10,450
stories went up that fifty thousand and

744
00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:13,630
again if you remember the story there

745
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:17,500
let's see mr. strong circulation manager

746
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,290
had a hunch that the magazine

747
00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,120
circulation would increase that much and

748
00:31:29,890 --> 00:31:26,000
stole paper from other other

749
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:29,900
publications to get amazing stories and

750
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:32,450
mr. Davis thought that the story was

751
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:33,650
going to be garbage and they wouldn't be

752
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,930
able so any of those copies so in truth

753
00:31:40,590 --> 00:31:37,840
they sold all of them almost overnight

754
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:40,600
and again if you go back to the story of

755
00:31:44,410 --> 00:31:42,980
when dad told Richard he was going to

756
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publish the stories I can't believe

757
00:31:49,630 --> 00:31:47,270
those I remember Lemuria Richard said

758
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:49,640
you need to publish mark copies and dad

759
00:31:53,530 --> 00:31:51,320
said well there's a paper shortage we

760
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:53,540
can't do that remember folks this is

761
00:31:57,850 --> 00:31:54,650
during World War two

762
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:57,860
yes so there's a paper shortage and all

763
00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:00,320
the other publications were selling like

764
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:02,030
ninety percent or something and amazing

765
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:03,230
was selling a little less it made no

766
00:32:07,390 --> 00:32:06,110
sense to date paper from one publication

767
00:32:08,910 --> 00:32:07,400
as sewing better and grows the other one

768
00:32:11,020 --> 00:32:08,920
but Richard said well give me the

769
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:11,030
circulation Manders enabled name and

770
00:32:14,860 --> 00:32:13,190
he'll do something about it well dad was

771
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:14,870
quite amused and said ok game the name

772
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:16,700
and something like the next day or

773
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:19,490
whatever was strong call up dad or

774
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:21,050
something like that and said well we're

775
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,600
gonna increase about fifty Belvin did he

776
00:32:27,700 --> 00:32:25,760
say how he got this inspiration did

777
00:32:30,370 --> 00:32:27,710
somebody call him or what or he had a

778
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:30,380
feeling I had a feeling I believe again

779
00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:32,690
if you want them you just have to read

780
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:33,800
that down there right in there and you

781
00:32:37,270 --> 00:32:35,930
could have that guy the general gist of

782
00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:37,280
what I'm saying is yet a feeling I

783
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:39,980
believe ok of course now supposedly the

784
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:41,690
D rose and T rose the underground

785
00:32:46,420 --> 00:32:43,850
creatures had tell uh greys which are

786
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mind-control machines so if they wanted

787
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:48,590
to control someone's actions they could

788
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:50,210
just pretend

789
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:52,550
these machines at them so somebody down

790
00:32:56,830 --> 00:32:54,770
there can say okay you're gonna get an

791
00:32:59,020 --> 00:32:56,840
inspiration guy that you want to print

792
00:33:02,110 --> 00:32:59,030
50,000 more copies of amazing stories

793
00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:02,120
and that's what happens and again I got

794
00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:03,620
this I've read this one like one day as

795
00:33:06,430 --> 00:33:04,910
ready and my mom's little story and

796
00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:06,440
actually one of the associate editors

797
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:09,710
that I know I he said you know wasn't in

798
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:11,870
the office when that when that not came

799
00:33:16,780 --> 00:33:14,450
that came that story came through as far

800
00:33:19,570 --> 00:33:16,790
as the circulation increase but they had

801
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:19,580
told him at afterwards so again he he's

802
00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:21,460
saying the same thing my dad said that

803
00:33:25,180 --> 00:33:23,660
for some reason the circulation was

804
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:25,190
increased after some reason they sold

805
00:33:28,330 --> 00:33:25,610
well

806
00:33:29,860 --> 00:33:28,340
now supposedly the circulation of

807
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:29,870
amazing stories remained of the high

808
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:32,000
level for the duration of the

809
00:33:36,580 --> 00:33:34,460
publication of the shavers stories but

810
00:33:38,530 --> 00:33:36,590
as soon as the shaver story stopped the

811
00:33:41,470 --> 00:33:38,540
circulation went down to its normal

812
00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:41,480
level and understand even fifty thousand

813
00:33:47,230 --> 00:33:43,640
copies for science fiction magazine same

814
00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:47,240
50s and 60s or 70s it's pretty high yes

815
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:49,190
and okay one thing we're talking about

816
00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:51,650
circulations I've had some people say

817
00:33:55,870 --> 00:33:53,780
that the circulation never went up to

818
00:33:59,710 --> 00:33:55,880
the savers story but I happen to have

819
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,720
the science fiction Digest back in

820
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:01,760
something that and they they published

821
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:04,130
the circulation results because I guess

822
00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:05,360
there was a circulation Audit Bureau

823
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:08,360
back then on a bureau of circulation yes

824
00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:13,760
no okay and it shows in like 1948

825
00:34:20,890 --> 00:34:19,100
there's a 60% increase in circulation so

826
00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:20,900
I'm looking at for 1947 two hundred

827
00:34:25,390 --> 00:34:22,820
forty one thousand nineteen forty three

828
00:34:28,450 --> 00:34:25,400
hundred eighty five thousand and then

829
00:34:30,430 --> 00:34:28,460
after that a gradual decline and they

830
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:30,440
also show in here quite popular and for

831
00:34:35,650 --> 00:34:33,320
selling magazines monthly publications

832
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:35,660
yes if the current law comparison of all

833
00:34:40,330 --> 00:34:38,030
the pulp effects in imagine for example

834
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:40,340
in our day and age rate it be something

835
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:42,770
like you put up a story on a website and

836
00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:44,810
you're getting a million page views a

837
00:34:49,900 --> 00:34:47,419
month a page view being the number of

838
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:49,910
pages is actually being seen by people

839
00:34:54,730 --> 00:34:52,370
and suddenly you publish a story it's

840
00:34:56,980 --> 00:34:54,740
posted online and you get two million

841
00:34:59,890 --> 00:34:56,990
page views a month it's kind of like

842
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:59,900
that isn't it yeah so again this is the

843
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:01,130
only documentation know about

844
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:02,900
circulation because

845
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:04,250
I'm not sure if that circulation on a

846
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:06,230
bureau or whatever is still available in

847
00:35:10,839 --> 00:35:08,569
libraries but this was the science

848
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:10,849
fiction fan magazine or something back

849
00:35:16,779 --> 00:35:13,609
then again I still have a copy now the

850
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:16,789
crazy thing about here is when Rey first

851
00:35:21,370 --> 00:35:18,859
published the shaver stories guy who

852
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,380
claimed to have been in contact with

853
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:22,640
people who live in the Inner Earth who

854
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:25,010
was presented to science fiction at some

855
00:35:30,309 --> 00:35:27,529
point in time he said no this is a fact

856
00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:30,319
I gotta think the science fiction people

857
00:35:34,269 --> 00:35:32,750
who read these things and you know

858
00:35:36,910 --> 00:35:34,279
adored the stories of Edgar Rice

859
00:35:38,740 --> 00:35:36,920
Burroughs and the famous early science

860
00:35:42,460 --> 00:35:38,750
fiction writers of the time must have

861
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:42,470
gone crazy yeah well I'm not you know

862
00:35:45,579 --> 00:35:44,390
I'm not sure about that again I've heard

863
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:45,589
stories about people didn't like

864
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:46,970
anything but then I've also heard story

865
00:35:51,789 --> 00:35:49,010
there was only very few people that were

866
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:51,799
right in causing the problem and the

867
00:35:56,769 --> 00:35:54,130
ones that were lying the magazine

868
00:35:59,799 --> 00:35:56,779
science fiction the hardcore science

869
00:36:02,440 --> 00:35:59,809
fiction fan just the touch you or

870
00:36:06,099 --> 00:36:02,450
anything like a paranormal even to this

871
00:36:09,370 --> 00:36:06,109
day and they did have a right in their

872
00:36:11,049 --> 00:36:09,380
campaigns as if Davis I say it was a

873
00:36:13,299 --> 00:36:11,059
science fiction magazine and if you

874
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:13,309
didn't start publishing the shaker

875
00:36:18,789 --> 00:36:16,130
mystery stories that they would take

876
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:18,799
their reading interest I swear so for

877
00:36:28,380 --> 00:36:21,890
years there was a a battle between the

878
00:36:31,870 --> 00:36:28,390
shaver fans and the hardcore Syfy buffs

879
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,880
who wanted to depart Palmer and get rid

880
00:36:35,529 --> 00:36:33,680
of the shale industry we'll get into

881
00:36:38,170 --> 00:36:35,539
very much more of this we have Tim Beck

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917
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919
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920
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921
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925
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940
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941
00:39:27,979 --> 00:39:25,859
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942
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944
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945
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946
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:36,660
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947
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948
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949
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950
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951
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961
00:40:06,979 --> 00:40:05,130
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962
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964
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965
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:15,719
Erin dykes lost 92 pounds we're going to

966
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show you some before-and-afters Aaron

967
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:20,309
break down what happened your story I've

968
00:40:23,929 --> 00:40:22,049
worked really hard with diet and

969
00:40:25,669 --> 00:40:23,939
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970
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971
00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:27,479
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972
00:40:31,759 --> 00:40:29,880
doing with M for steam calm I wasn't

973
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even trying to lose weight but I got it

974
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975
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,769
wanted that nutrition didn't even

976
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understand how that could kickstart my

977
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own weight loss goals but the products

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979
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losing weight more energetic wanting to

980
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,929
exercise wanting to eat the right foods

981
00:40:49,279 --> 00:40:47,579
and they don't even advertise it as

982
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988
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with the Coalition for freedom of

989
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information and you are listening to the

990
00:41:14,059 --> 00:41:11,819
podcast we're back with Raymond B Palmer

991
00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:14,069
the son of Raymond a Palmer pioneers

992
00:41:18,739 --> 00:41:16,559
science fiction editor UFO researcher

993
00:41:20,029 --> 00:41:18,749
writer publisher co-founder of fate

994
00:41:23,029 --> 00:41:20,039
magazine need I go on

995
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:23,039
and Tim Beckley mr. UFO now at some

996
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:25,829
point in time ray amazing story stopped

997
00:41:29,479 --> 00:41:27,689
publishing the shaver man mystery

998
00:41:33,729 --> 00:41:29,489
material was that because of reader

999
00:41:36,919 --> 00:41:33,739
pressure last shaver story was published

1000
00:41:39,979 --> 00:41:36,929
just issue after our bouncing over and

1001
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:39,989
it moved to New York because what

1002
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,599
happened is the the Chicago office of

1003
00:41:46,219 --> 00:41:44,339
Ziff Davis was going to be closed and

1004
00:41:49,279 --> 00:41:46,229
that's when many of the writers and

1005
00:41:51,799 --> 00:41:49,289
editors went off on their own like Kurt

1006
00:41:54,529 --> 00:41:51,809
Kurt fuller Bill Hamling my dad and

1007
00:41:55,939 --> 00:41:54,539
several other ones I believe and what

1008
00:41:58,219 --> 00:41:55,949
Howard brown went to New York that was

1009
00:42:00,499 --> 00:41:58,229
that so the last last story that I ever

1010
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:00,509
saw off shavers was the very first issue

1011
00:42:07,339 --> 00:42:04,319
I believe 1950 or whatever that that

1012
00:42:08,809 --> 00:42:07,349
Howard brown was in charge of and more

1013
00:42:10,339 --> 00:42:08,819
unlikely was just there because it was

1014
00:42:12,979 --> 00:42:10,349
already in the can before our ground

1015
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:12,989
took care of it but yes the later years

1016
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:15,839
the number of shaver stories went down

1017
00:42:20,299 --> 00:42:19,049
and also shaved the shaver mystery had

1018
00:42:21,259 --> 00:42:20,309
gone down a little bit before cuz

1019
00:42:23,269 --> 00:42:21,269
they've covered as much as they could

1020
00:42:25,249 --> 00:42:23,279
and but shaver did a lot of science

1021
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:25,259
fiction ones too which weren't really

1022
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:29,160
related to his mystery to correct me if

1023
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:31,890
I'm wrong shaver is a decent writer but

1024
00:42:36,349 --> 00:42:34,319
not a great writer did your dad do a lot

1025
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:36,359
of editing and revising of the shaver

1026
00:42:41,509 --> 00:42:38,880
stories I can't tell you how much I know

1027
00:42:43,489 --> 00:42:41,519
you've changed he changed the flavor a

1028
00:42:46,219 --> 00:42:43,499
little bit because again he's yes again

1029
00:42:47,959 --> 00:42:46,229
if you read his books he did state well

1030
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:47,969
he worked for Ziff Davis and he had to

1031
00:42:53,749 --> 00:42:50,880
sell magazines so he had a story he got

1032
00:42:56,449 --> 00:42:53,759
he had he did change it in form that

1033
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:56,459
would be more attractive to readers so

1034
00:43:00,709 --> 00:42:57,089
yes

1035
00:43:02,749 --> 00:43:00,719
the trouble is now we can't tell what he

1036
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:02,759
changed just to make it more readable

1037
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:05,010
and what favor did

1038
00:43:08,180 --> 00:43:06,480
it would be sure nice to have procedures

1039
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:08,190
original manuscript so we don't have

1040
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,700
that but again he was that was his job

1041
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,960
that when he was working for as if day

1042
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:14,700
that and he's freely admitted in his

1043
00:43:24,020 --> 00:43:18,540
works doing it he had to write the like

1044
00:43:27,590 --> 00:43:24,030
so magazine a salt but I did get a lot

1045
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:27,600
of correspondence from shaver at that at

1046
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:28,950
some point we were putting out a

1047
00:43:33,500 --> 00:43:30,510
newsletter called the searchlight which

1048
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:33,510
was devoted to the sugar mister pretty

1049
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:36,660
much in the in earth material and the

1050
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:39,540
shaver would write on onion skin paper

1051
00:43:45,980 --> 00:43:42,030
using Center like the third carbon copy

1052
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:45,990
hadn't changed the ribbon in years and I

1053
00:43:50,810 --> 00:43:48,690
know in order to to print this shavers

1054
00:43:53,150 --> 00:43:50,820
material I'd have to put a new piece of

1055
00:43:56,090 --> 00:43:53,160
paper into the typewriter and just that

1056
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,100
kind of from scratch the flavor of the

1057
00:44:02,090 --> 00:43:59,640
material was there but there the the

1058
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:02,100
essence of professional writing seemed

1059
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:05,310
to be frankly somewhat lacking and I

1060
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:06,900
know I published some correspondence

1061
00:44:10,820 --> 00:44:08,700
from the event that he had written me

1062
00:44:14,030 --> 00:44:10,830
and the fact of the matter is he said

1063
00:44:16,030 --> 00:44:14,040
he'd have to change a lot on the

1064
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:16,040
material I mean make it more readable

1065
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:19,680
certainly shaver had the habit of

1066
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:22,170
writing them very very long drawn out

1067
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:24,810
the sentences which he thought he was

1068
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:26,910
probably being very colorful but he

1069
00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:29,880
didn't quite have that down as far as

1070
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,700
I'm concerned his information was more

1071
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:35,040
important than the style that he wrote

1072
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:37,530
in and I believe you did that realize

1073
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,540
that it so well but there had been a

1074
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:41,280
growing controversy in fact in my own

1075
00:44:45,830 --> 00:44:43,650
book the shape of mystery in me and I

1076
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:45,840
have the corresponding better than where

1077
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:47,730
they look good night what the other

1078
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,670
individual was saying shaver would claim

1079
00:44:53,780 --> 00:44:52,140
though that he wrote you know ninety

1080
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:53,790
percent of material and probably didn't

1081
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:55,830
have to do any of the editing and he did

1082
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:58,530
kind of like before does that because he

1083
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:01,500
realized he had put all work into it you

1084
00:45:04,820 --> 00:45:03,060
know let me raise one thing here about

1085
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:04,830
the shaver mystery when I interviewed

1086
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:09,240
your dad back in 1965 he revealed that

1087
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:12,570
during the eight years that shaver said

1088
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:14,510
he was down the caves he was actually

1089
00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:15,870
institutionalized

1090
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:17,860
what do you know about that

1091
00:45:24,590 --> 00:45:21,550
just what my dad has said and he wrote

1092
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:24,600
him out that too and also my mother

1093
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:27,280
confirmed that - yes so yes he

1094
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:30,490
physically his body physically was I

1095
00:45:33,870 --> 00:45:32,650
don't know actually I could find the

1096
00:45:35,250 --> 00:45:33,880
name of the place where it was - or

1097
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:35,260
something one of the ads articles - it

1098
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:39,130
yeah that's what it was but again where

1099
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:41,530
the question always come to me where

1100
00:45:47,070 --> 00:45:44,170
does information really come from well

1101
00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:47,080
the key here is that he said he believes

1102
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:49,000
shaver anyway that his mind was

1103
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:51,610
somewhere that was real and then he had

1104
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:53,830
a real encounter on the other hand when

1105
00:45:58,050 --> 00:45:56,560
I asked shaver about this and I asked

1106
00:46:01,590 --> 00:45:58,060
him a number of times I have an article

1107
00:46:04,050 --> 00:46:01,600
for my magazine that published your

1108
00:46:07,350 --> 00:46:04,060
father's interview an article from

1109
00:46:10,290 --> 00:46:07,360
Richard shaver where he denied he was in

1110
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:10,300
such a place said it didn't happen yeah

1111
00:46:15,060 --> 00:46:12,420
I guess one of our hidden world

1112
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,070
magazines dad did write the same thing

1113
00:46:20,070 --> 00:46:17,200
yes they were that and told the math and

1114
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:20,080
she ever said well I'm it's just as if

1115
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:21,490
I'm talking to you now this is how it

1116
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:24,880
happened so yes there was a but they're

1117
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:26,410
all dead found out about shaver

1118
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:28,030
institution I guess one of the readers

1119
00:46:32,970 --> 00:46:30,130
was a nurse at one of these institutions

1120
00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:32,980
and wrote my father so that's how he got

1121
00:46:38,580 --> 00:46:35,080
that information so basically your dad

1122
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:38,590
said I got the evidence here Richard

1123
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,330
shaver was in this institution or more

1124
00:46:44,570 --> 00:46:41,680
than one institution for a number of

1125
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:44,580
years shaver says that didn't happen

1126
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:48,130
again again without having the name of

1127
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:49,120
the nurse or anything we can't tell

1128
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,190
either but that's the source of where my

1129
00:46:55,590 --> 00:46:53,920
dad got the information from okay but we

1130
00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:55,600
don't just miss shavers just being crazy

1131
00:47:03,090 --> 00:46:59,770
uh no I've never just what I'd known him

1132
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:03,100
no pens like me called crazy he I decide

1133
00:47:09,210 --> 00:47:05,080
that I think he gets he's able to get

1134
00:47:10,620 --> 00:47:09,220
information that a lot of us can't but

1135
00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:10,630
that doesn't mean that it's not out

1136
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:10,950
there

1137
00:47:17,220 --> 00:47:16,030
we just can't prove it yes proof yeah

1138
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:17,230
I'm gonna have to say we can't prove it

1139
00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:22,210
yet well wait percentage-wise how much

1140
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:25,030
did you believe of what Richard shaver

1141
00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:27,190
was saying I mean really believe that

1142
00:47:31,290 --> 00:47:29,020
there are a guarantee on this

1143
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,300
underground civilization of

1144
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:33,760
tried to erase I became chaos here on

1145
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:36,280
the surface well I guess I'm sort of

1146
00:47:41,700 --> 00:47:39,820
like my dad on that I I believe he might

1147
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:41,710
I don't like to use bullet believe I

1148
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:43,660
just I think that he was getting

1149
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:46,530
information and very possibly

1150
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:49,210
he was interpreting it the way he

1151
00:47:53,130 --> 00:47:51,370
thought it should be it doesn't mean

1152
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:53,140
that it was interpreted right and it

1153
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:54,490
certainly doesn't mean that he didn't

1154
00:47:58,860 --> 00:47:56,890
see it or it experienced it it's just

1155
00:48:03,170 --> 00:47:58,870
that his interpretation of it and what

1156
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:03,180
has this is not what we can understand

1157
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:06,310
again I don't say that it it doesn't

1158
00:48:09,570 --> 00:48:08,170
exist I sort of think probably what he

1159
00:48:13,350 --> 00:48:09,580
did did exist but it's just the

1160
00:48:15,450 --> 00:48:13,360
interpretation meant jumbled you don't

1161
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:15,460
believe taking a more paranormal or

1162
00:48:21,540 --> 00:48:20,140
astral concept of this but yet on the

1163
00:48:24,990 --> 00:48:21,550
other hand there were thousands and

1164
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:25,000
thousands of readers who sent in their

1165
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:27,010
letters saying that some of them saying

1166
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:28,480
that they have been in the caves and

1167
00:48:32,550 --> 00:48:30,580
others saying that they heard the voices

1168
00:48:34,890 --> 00:48:32,560
and that they agree that the Adaro had

1169
00:48:36,660 --> 00:48:34,900
existed and shop in the hidden world

1170
00:48:39,300 --> 00:48:36,670
series which we spoke you can print we

1171
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:39,310
got some of the blinds and there are

1172
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:40,930
many of these wonders that were actually

1173
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,370
reprinted in there from the early issues

1174
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:45,280
of amazing life stories and the tickets

1175
00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:47,290
very of course a lot of people do

1176
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:49,750
believe in the existence of the beer on

1177
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:51,970
the chair and of these ancient mind

1178
00:48:56,010 --> 00:48:54,490
manipulation machines and the mystery

1179
00:48:58,250 --> 00:48:56,020
goes on even though of course it's not

1180
00:49:02,490 --> 00:48:58,260
as popular as it might have been in the

1181
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:02,500
1940s many people over the quest it even

1182
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:04,810
looked magazine I think at one point in

1183
00:49:08,490 --> 00:49:07,210
an article on reshaping history now

1184
00:49:11,570 --> 00:49:08,500
another point too I remember my mother

1185
00:49:14,460 --> 00:49:11,580
saying when shaver would have these

1186
00:49:17,070 --> 00:49:14,470
spells or his Dorothy would call him

1187
00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:17,080
you'd be his sickness he shaver said

1188
00:49:21,180 --> 00:49:19,630
whatever came to be like a pain and a

1189
00:49:23,700 --> 00:49:21,190
lot of times my mom and you hear these

1190
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:23,710
sometimes people on TV that do terrible

1191
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:26,170
things like mass shootings or something

1192
00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:28,210
back with pass and they per se they were

1193
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:29,860
told to do this and they said it's like

1194
00:49:32,580 --> 00:49:31,720
a pain and I'm always said well I sort

1195
00:49:36,510 --> 00:49:32,590
of believe them because that's exactly

1196
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:36,520
what Richard said so as it are we

1197
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:39,850
influenced I sort of think we probably

1198
00:49:44,180 --> 00:49:42,340
are a little bit now there's a story

1199
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:44,190
that your dad told and it's kind of

1200
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:45,930
frightening story I want to frame this

1201
00:49:48,349 --> 00:49:47,130
and probably continue in the next

1202
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,359
segment maybe you can tell me we're

1203
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,220
about it and the reason I bring this up

1204
00:49:54,829 --> 00:49:52,619
is this interview and many of the other

1205
00:49:56,839 --> 00:49:54,839
interviews that I had done and my first

1206
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,849
wife Geneva had done for magazine called

1207
00:50:01,099 --> 00:49:58,800
caveat emptor are going to be

1208
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:01,109
republished in the near future were

1209
00:50:05,059 --> 00:50:03,660
digitizing a lot of old content from

1210
00:50:06,609 --> 00:50:05,069
these magazines we have the interview

1211
00:50:08,569 --> 00:50:06,619
with your father and if you a shaver

1212
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:08,579
interview with Tim Buckley and many

1213
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:11,640
others and your dad told a story here

1214
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:12,990
where they're going to have a special

1215
00:50:19,010 --> 00:50:16,890
shaver mystery issue of amazing stories

1216
00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:19,020
magazine and they want to get all the

1217
00:50:22,460 --> 00:50:20,369
stuff right all the scientific

1218
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:22,470
information right and what he said here

1219
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,490
is that they sent this to a types that

1220
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:29,040
we remember were using hot type lead

1221
00:50:34,270 --> 00:50:31,290
this is old-fashioned typography in the

1222
00:50:37,130 --> 00:50:34,280
1940s they had their best typesetter

1223
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,140
produce all the mathematical tables

1224
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:39,300
which is very difficult to do because

1225
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,609
I've done work in typesetting it's

1226
00:50:44,930 --> 00:50:43,500
really really difficult to set down

1227
00:50:46,819 --> 00:50:44,940
equations it's hard enough to do it with

1228
00:50:48,829 --> 00:50:46,829
a word processor so we imagine here

1229
00:50:51,319 --> 00:50:48,839
they've got all this information all

1230
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:51,329
these figures to the best typesetter at

1231
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,550
this particular printing plant and what

1232
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:55,680
your dad said ray is that when they got

1233
00:51:00,349 --> 00:50:58,290
back the proofs this is the samples to

1234
00:51:05,180 --> 00:51:00,359
see that everything was okay there were

1235
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:05,190
more than 100 errors on a single page do

1236
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:07,260
you recall that I recall the story and

1237
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:09,740
again Tim might remember which which

1238
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:12,300
issue that was published him but again

1239
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:13,800
my dad did publish that and showed some

1240
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:17,010
of the errors it was fascinating because

1241
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,609
your dad went to the typesetter or the

1242
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:22,140
printers representative went there and

1243
00:51:25,579 --> 00:51:24,450
said these errors how could you possibly

1244
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:25,589
do anything like this

1245
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:27,030
and I'll tell you what he said in a

1246
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:29,339
moment we have Raymond B Palmer son of

1247
00:51:38,210 --> 00:51:31,710
Raymond a Palmer Tim Beck Lee with Gene

1248
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:41,790
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1249
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:45,010
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1250
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:49,630
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1251
00:51:53,790 --> 00:51:51,400
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1252
00:51:56,430 --> 00:51:53,800
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1253
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1256
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:02,230
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1257
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:03,849
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1258
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:06,130
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1260
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1261
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1262
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1263
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1264
00:52:20,370 --> 00:52:17,980
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1265
00:52:22,380 --> 00:52:20,380
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1266
00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:22,390
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1267
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:24,040
fibers to protect from counterfeit than

1268
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:25,839
carding to a private bank having a lead

1269
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:26,710
back at interest

1270
00:52:30,329 --> 00:52:28,510
forcing taxes to surfaced at this

1271
00:52:31,799 --> 00:52:30,339
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1272
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:31,809
stating a central bank issuing the

1273
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:33,430
public currency is a greater menace to

1274
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:34,569
the liberties of the people than a

1275
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,950
standing army today understand I'm

1276
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:37,359
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1277
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,190
that explains our monetary system call

1278
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:42,640
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1279
00:52:53,130 --> 00:52:45,849
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1280
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:53,140
that's 800 686 to 237 you land in Buenos

1281
00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:56,290
Aires then our shuttle to Santa Rosa for

1282
00:53:00,990 --> 00:52:58,150
a nicely furnished cabin with all

1283
00:53:04,289 --> 00:53:01,000
amenities Wi-Fi executive food and wine

1284
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:04,299
and laundry service awaits after a good

1285
00:53:10,109 --> 00:53:06,329
night's sleep your adventure begins

1286
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:10,119
you're on a golden stag Safari for big

1287
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:12,730
game but it's not Africa

1288
00:53:18,539 --> 00:53:15,730
it's Argentina one on one guided hunts

1289
00:53:21,870 --> 00:53:18,549
for water buffalo cougar Bighorn Rams

1290
00:53:25,049 --> 00:53:21,880
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1291
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:25,059
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1292
00:53:32,970 --> 00:53:29,250
the action you can handle land rovers

1293
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:32,980
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1294
00:53:37,710 --> 00:53:35,200
guides ground transportation included

1295
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:37,720
and more all more affordable than you

1296
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:40,510
can imagine the adventure of a lifetime

1297
00:53:46,049 --> 00:53:44,500
starts at golden stag safaris calm the

1298
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:46,059
big king hunting ranch

1299
00:54:04,250 --> 00:53:59,910
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1300
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:04,260
standard of paranormal radio and now

1301
00:54:12,809 --> 00:54:11,470
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1302
00:54:15,660 --> 00:54:12,819
Chris we're talking to Raymond B

1303
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:15,670
Palmer's son of Raymond a Palmer and Tim

1304
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:18,790
Beckley talking about a fascinating

1305
00:54:24,299 --> 00:54:21,520
gentleman who was a pioneer in UFO

1306
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:24,309
research all right so what your dad told

1307
00:54:29,579 --> 00:54:27,250
me ray is that the typesetter said I

1308
00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:29,589
didn't set that I didn't do this I

1309
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:31,750
couldn't do that horrible work yet

1310
00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:36,280
according to Ray the slug the

1311
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:38,380
identification was from that typesetter

1312
00:54:43,710 --> 00:54:41,130
the suggestion being that maybe they

1313
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:43,720
made it difficult for him to get that

1314
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:45,369
information down accurately what do you

1315
00:54:50,730 --> 00:54:47,290
think oh well that's what's the same

1316
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,740
story I heard so I have no again I was

1317
00:54:57,930 --> 00:54:51,760
with one of my times I had no

1318
00:55:00,569 --> 00:54:57,940
information about that and I what I read

1319
00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:00,579
about over the years right so the other

1320
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:02,559
thing is here was another story that

1321
00:55:07,319 --> 00:55:05,680
your dad told that he was I guess

1322
00:55:10,349 --> 00:55:07,329
bringing the proofs down to the printer

1323
00:55:12,270 --> 00:55:10,359
and he was driving in Chicago and this

1324
00:55:13,289 --> 00:55:12,280
was your sister with him at the time do

1325
00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:13,299
you know what I'm talking about

1326
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:16,540
it could be yeah okay and they had a

1327
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:19,480
near accident that someone deliberately

1328
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:22,180
tried to run him off the road

1329
00:55:25,799 --> 00:55:24,490
what do you know about that just what am

1330
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:25,809
i dad rolling again that's an accurate

1331
00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:28,450
portrayal of what rolled yes but I get

1332
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,950
peripherals first and I don't know but

1333
00:55:34,740 --> 00:55:31,359
Nick I am going to call my cousin in

1334
00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:34,750
Vegas and that was her mother I can ask

1335
00:55:40,140 --> 00:55:36,910
her about that that sounds fascinating

1336
00:55:42,030 --> 00:55:40,150
and frightening and supposedly the

1337
00:55:45,329 --> 00:55:42,040
person who tried to run your dad and

1338
00:55:47,579 --> 00:55:45,339
your sister off the road was laughing

1339
00:55:50,609 --> 00:55:47,589
after it happened the implication being

1340
00:55:53,460 --> 00:55:50,619
made with these two stories is that the

1341
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:53,470
inner earth-dwellers influence that

1342
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:56,650
typesetter to make mistakes cause that

1343
00:56:02,579 --> 00:55:59,920
driver to want to run your dad off the

1344
00:56:04,859 --> 00:56:02,589
road is that where I'm getting at that's

1345
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:04,869
right did anyone ever look at the

1346
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:07,390
mistakes and analyze them and see if

1347
00:56:10,860 --> 00:56:08,560
there was some sort of message

1348
00:56:12,510 --> 00:56:10,870
being sin or a pattern or something not

1349
00:56:13,830 --> 00:56:12,520
that I'm aware of I just can't like say

1350
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:13,840
one of the issues that they had did

1351
00:56:19,650 --> 00:56:16,330
maybe not many stories maybe it was some

1352
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:19,660
other one he did reproduce some of the

1353
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:22,210
original galleys with mistakes on him I

1354
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:24,250
can't tell you which one right now you

1355
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:26,530
know there was also a rumor going around

1356
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:29,530
about the currency and the FBI had

1357
00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:31,630
actually visited their your dad and told

1358
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:33,790
them to stop printing the shaver

1359
00:56:38,550 --> 00:56:36,070
industry articles you know anything

1360
00:56:41,070 --> 00:56:38,560
about that that I've heard about - yes

1361
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:41,080
oh okay we're getting back on what gets

1362
00:56:44,850 --> 00:56:42,370
a little tangent here we're talking

1363
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:44,860
about interviews several years ago you

1364
00:56:51,390 --> 00:56:48,010
were not yet in 1975 I would say

1365
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:51,400
probably nineteen I'm not sure there is

1366
00:56:55,290 --> 00:56:53,530
four man that they claimed they were

1367
00:56:56,580 --> 00:56:55,300
from the University of Stevens Point and

1368
00:56:59,310 --> 00:56:56,590
they came and interviewed and they

1369
00:57:02,760 --> 00:56:59,320
probably got 10 12 hours of tape Honda

1370
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:02,770
shaver mystery and the last time I they

1371
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:03,940
were there they said we're going to come

1372
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:04,900
back one more time because we've just

1373
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:07,090
got a couple things we want to tie down

1374
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:10,450
and they never showed up again and then

1375
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,290
awhile later this was the Watergate time

1376
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:16,480
period dad came to me and showed me a

1377
00:57:22,500 --> 00:57:19,390
picture on a paper and there's a guy

1378
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:22,510
with a beard dark hair was one of the

1379
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:25,390
FBI tape specialized that was

1380
00:57:30,450 --> 00:57:28,150
specialists that were looking at the

1381
00:57:31,580 --> 00:57:30,460
Watergate tapes and dad said to me does

1382
00:57:33,630 --> 00:57:31,590
this guy look familiar

1383
00:57:37,290 --> 00:57:33,640
looks like the guy that was here

1384
00:57:39,570 --> 00:57:37,300
interviewing us so that was ID and again

1385
00:57:41,550 --> 00:57:39,580
I I'm not sure who was or wasn't but

1386
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:41,560
it's just strange these these so-called

1387
00:57:47,970 --> 00:57:44,910
college students were going to do a a

1388
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:47,980
paper or something on my father again

1389
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:50,710
there came four nights in a row said

1390
00:57:52,590 --> 00:57:51,520
they're coming back and then they

1391
00:57:54,780 --> 00:57:52,600
disappear and we never hear anything

1392
00:57:56,370 --> 00:57:54,790
else but all I think I know for sure is

1393
00:57:58,590 --> 00:57:56,380
there's 10 or 12 hours worth of tapes

1394
00:58:01,380 --> 00:57:58,600
out there and somebody has them which

1395
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,390
would be really interesting to find so

1396
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:03,040
maybe even on your show if you could

1397
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:07,810
mention that we might go there you got

1398
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:09,910
first-hand talking to my dad

1399
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:12,130
well we have a worldwide audience as you

1400
00:58:16,140 --> 00:58:14,530
know we're heard on a number of radio

1401
00:58:19,890 --> 00:58:16,150
stations including a New York radio

1402
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:19,900
station WV NJ and I suppose if anyone

1403
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:21,540
out there has any information with

1404
00:58:26,300 --> 00:58:23,960
to hear it I'd also like to see who has

1405
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:26,310
recordings of Ray Palmer and Richard

1406
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,800
shaver now I don't have the recordings

1407
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:30,240
of the interviews I did with your dad or

1408
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,090
with mr. shaver but I know other people

1409
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:35,460
did I also know that I arranged to have

1410
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:38,250
your dad interviewed on WCAU in

1411
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:41,340
Philadelphia for an all-night occult

1412
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:42,240
radio show

1413
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:46,200
on a few occasions so we kind of hope

1414
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:47,970
there that maybe their recordings of

1415
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:49,050
that of course that information was

1416
00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:50,490
pretty basic we were catering to a

1417
00:59:24,230 --> 00:58:52,560
general audience that really wasn't

1418
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:24,240
attuned to this stuff so I was just

1419
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,740
going to mention that but I'll also I

1420
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,020
have when dad and Richard did the John

1421
00:59:33,140 --> 00:59:30,720
Neville show they had a tape recording

1422
00:59:35,330 --> 00:59:33,150
running in the phone office where they

1423
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:35,340
were so we have the tape

1424
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:38,520
on this side of the recording too and

1425
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:40,530
that bit here on there this side of the

1426
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:42,150
cording piece because they were talking

1427
00:59:46,850 --> 00:59:44,310
about they had interference where they

1428
00:59:48,770 --> 00:59:46,860
couldn't they couldn't talk to each

1429
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:48,780
other all the time and it was suggested

1430
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:50,220
well okay mean to the deroulard

1431
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:53,610
tampering with the telephone mind but

1432
00:59:56,540 --> 00:59:55,530
again I have the I have the one that

1433
00:59:57,860 --> 00:59:56,550
gray Barker sent me

1434
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:57,870
I believe worked him you might have sent

1435
01:00:02,810 --> 01:00:00,420
it to me too of the show but I also have

1436
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:02,820
a reel-to-reel tape of the one that dad

1437
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:06,510
made when Richard was with Amitha at the

1438
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:09,150
telephone company with their remarks to

1439
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:10,650
which are a little different that are on

1440
01:00:14,090 --> 01:00:12,420
the tape I don't want to give out any

1441
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:14,100
book ideas here but I will I think

1442
01:00:19,460 --> 01:00:16,890
someone needs to write the biography and

1443
01:00:21,490 --> 01:00:19,470
authorized biography of Raymond a Palmer

1444
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:21,500
because he has such an interesting life

1445
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:23,850
there's been several out there but they

1446
01:00:29,060 --> 01:00:26,040
always they want to put a spin on it a

1447
01:00:30,620 --> 01:00:29,070
little bit and as I said dad dad every

1448
01:00:32,210 --> 01:00:30,630
everything dad did he wrote down so it's

1449
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:32,220
mainly a research project if somebody

1450
01:00:34,940 --> 01:00:33,390
needs to do

1451
01:00:36,380 --> 01:00:34,950
put down them and then you get it like

1452
01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:36,390
say straight from the horse's mouth

1453
01:00:40,100 --> 01:00:38,190
well it'd be fascinating if they don't

1454
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:40,110
have the spin I think that would be

1455
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:41,910
great to do something like that let's go

1456
01:00:45,860 --> 01:00:44,400
on to more of the experiences now we

1457
01:00:47,810 --> 01:00:45,870
hear about all these crazy things

1458
01:00:49,820 --> 01:00:47,820
happening with the inner earth and

1459
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:49,830
people being interfered with did

1460
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:52,230
anything ever happen to you in your life

1461
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:55,140
that indicates some kind of effort by

1462
01:01:00,410 --> 01:00:57,450
someone or something to exert this kind

1463
01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:00,420
of control well I think personally like

1464
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:01,830
I say and my Garg is I didn't pay a lot

1465
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:04,050
of tension as I grew up with Richard but

1466
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:05,970
I would say probably when I get my 30s I

1467
01:01:11,810 --> 01:01:07,440
started reading all the favorite

1468
01:01:13,130 --> 01:01:11,820
material and again some of that because

1469
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:13,140
I knew what he was talking about and was

1470
01:01:16,850 --> 01:01:14,610
familiar with it and I thought well gave

1471
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:16,860
me some of the sounds like it's really

1472
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:19,830
real and the farther I got into it I

1473
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:21,630
started getting a terrible pain in my

1474
01:01:26,330 --> 01:01:24,660
shoulder and it got worse and worse and

1475
01:01:30,110 --> 01:01:26,340
I finally stopped reading the material

1476
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:30,120
and the pain went away and then I didn't

1477
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:32,130
I didn't read a material or three or

1478
01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:33,720
four years later and then I started into

1479
01:01:38,540 --> 01:01:34,950
it again got into that kick and that

1480
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:38,550
same pain came back again so I just then

1481
01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:40,290
I then I'm reading some my dad's

1482
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,820
articles a little same thing happening

1483
01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:43,440
to people like that but something

1484
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:45,420
happens I said well I guess that is a

1485
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:47,010
very good deterrent to stop reading

1486
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:48,030
because I certainly didn't like that

1487
01:01:55,310 --> 01:01:50,370
beam but again you can't know how it

1488
01:01:58,790 --> 01:01:55,320
came but it happened to me so that's as

1489
01:02:06,520 --> 01:01:58,800
far as a personal thing yes that's when

1490
01:02:09,830 --> 01:02:06,530
absorb bizarre yeah wow yeah that's

1491
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:09,840
inducement to keep to keep reading so if

1492
01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:11,250
it's true that you start believing or

1493
01:02:16,790 --> 01:02:13,080
really get in into it you get that

1494
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:16,800
attacked or is just I don't know all I

1495
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:18,000
know was it happened that way in the

1496
01:02:21,290 --> 01:02:19,260
flex days when I first started reading

1497
01:02:22,940 --> 01:02:21,300
it was I didn't really think up there

1498
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:22,950
was anything really special about it

1499
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:25,460
because I can going up as special to you

1500
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:27,720
so then as I got into it I said well

1501
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:31,770
some of the stuff seems real did you

1502
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:33,510
ever decide to engage in your own

1503
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:38,880
investigation of this stuff what do you

1504
01:02:42,830 --> 01:02:40,770
mean by investigation I guess trying to

1505
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:42,840
follow up the stories trying to see what

1506
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:44,310
was going on even if you weren't going

1507
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:46,020
to be a writer at least accumulate the

1508
01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:46,260
end

1509
01:02:50,750 --> 01:02:49,350
Meishan no everyone part still to look

1510
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:50,760
at some of them because they had they

1511
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:51,960
still have some of the letters that were

1512
01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:56,010
sent to dad some by people and some are

1513
01:03:00,610 --> 01:02:58,140
very interesting yes but that's about as

1514
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:00,620
far as I go nothing new at all no

1515
01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:02,490
sometimes they yeah sometimes if I'm

1516
01:03:04,430 --> 01:03:04,110
talking that I used to travel quite a

1517
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:04,440
bit

1518
01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:06,810
and again just talking to travelers and

1519
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:09,030
we getting those different subjects yeah

1520
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:11,460
we would I would find that some people

1521
01:03:16,610 --> 01:03:14,760
have same experiences same I used to fly

1522
01:03:19,790 --> 01:03:16,620
quite a bit and I used to talk to pilots

1523
01:03:21,830 --> 01:03:19,800
a lot about flying saucers if we had

1524
01:03:23,330 --> 01:03:21,840
long enough time most of times they

1525
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:23,340
don't want to talk to you at first but

1526
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:24,780
if you haven't a long enough time to

1527
01:03:28,850 --> 01:03:26,730
talk them and they realize that you

1528
01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:28,860
weren't really a let's see another

1529
01:03:33,830 --> 01:03:31,590
skeptic or something that made fun of

1530
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:33,840
them the ones that saw something would

1531
01:03:36,020 --> 01:03:35,310
eventually say yeah I think something

1532
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:36,030
like that too

1533
01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:37,740
you know what we'll get is so much more

1534
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:39,630
of this coming up with Raymond B Palmer

1535
01:03:46,930 --> 01:03:41,970
and Tim Beckley with gene and Chris

1536
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[Music]

1537
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attack of the rock AIDS has been

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1540
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intelligence officer is haunted by

1542
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pleading for his help after a terrible

1544
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1545
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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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1561
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unemployment at depression levels Europe

1562
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financial system falling apart China

1563
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four trillion gold doubled to $1,600

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Franz the twenty trillion threshold for

1570
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1640
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:15,630
own experiences from Raymond B Palmer

1641
01:08:20,270 --> 01:08:18,210
with Tim Beck Lee with Gene and Kris

1642
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:20,280
you're in the power cast of course and

1643
01:08:23,780 --> 01:08:22,500
we continue with our show hearing all

1644
01:08:27,530 --> 01:08:23,790
this fascinating stuff in these

1645
01:08:30,860 --> 01:08:27,540
fascinating tales now at some point in

1646
01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:30,870
time when Ziff Davis moved to New York

1647
01:08:36,710 --> 01:08:33,870
your dad worked with Kurt fuller to

1648
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:36,720
start faint magazine what can you tell

1649
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:38,970
us about that well actually fate was

1650
01:08:44,770 --> 01:08:42,089
started before Ziff Davis left okay they

1651
01:08:46,670 --> 01:08:44,780
had a I believe they had a storefront

1652
01:08:48,980 --> 01:08:46,680
bookstore called adventure books or

1653
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:48,990
something I'm not sure of that but yes

1654
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:51,540
their mom and dad actually were looking

1655
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:53,790
for places to move up in Wisconsin for

1656
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:56,730
four years prior to that we have have

1657
01:08:59,870 --> 01:08:57,839
old pictures up they had different

1658
01:09:02,000 --> 01:08:59,880
sights they were looking to little met

1659
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:02,010
it was planning to leave if Davis and go

1660
01:09:08,329 --> 01:09:06,810
on his own prior to that and and yet as

1661
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:08,339
mom said that was the fair-haired boy

1662
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:10,290
back then and there was many many of the

1663
01:09:15,170 --> 01:09:12,690
other cousin wanted to go in with him to

1664
01:09:17,750 --> 01:09:15,180
be a partner with him and for some

1665
01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:17,760
reason he chose her chloride and I never

1666
01:09:22,790 --> 01:09:21,510
could quite the story why he chose Kirk

1667
01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:22,800
maybe because Kurt was more of the

1668
01:09:26,599 --> 01:09:24,150
businessman and then was more of the

1669
01:09:29,690 --> 01:09:26,609
writer type but that's how that started

1670
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:29,700
and actually when it started with fate

1671
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:32,850
magazine dead at their mom had to put in

1672
01:09:36,620 --> 01:09:34,410
most of the money I still got a lot of

1673
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:36,630
the canceled checks for Kirk because at

1674
01:09:43,250 --> 01:09:39,650
that time marry his wife got very ill

1675
01:09:44,750 --> 01:09:43,260
well Kirk couldn't leave his job and

1676
01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:44,760
there were little secrecy of their about

1677
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:47,640
the him starting the magazine so that's

1678
01:09:51,290 --> 01:09:49,410
again that's why dad had named Robert

1679
01:09:52,930 --> 01:09:51,300
Webster and the Fate magazine has the

1680
01:09:55,850 --> 01:09:52,940
editor what Barbara Webster was my dad

1681
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:55,860
so again it was I guess the story's a

1682
01:09:59,810 --> 01:09:57,510
little sketchy but again the point was

1683
01:10:02,360 --> 01:09:59,820
that for a while Kirk just did not have

1684
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:02,370
the money to put in the magazine and he

1685
01:10:06,260 --> 01:10:03,480
also had to keep his job

1686
01:10:08,660 --> 01:10:06,270
but if davis because of his wife's

1687
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:08,670
illness but then very shortly after that

1688
01:10:12,770 --> 01:10:10,500
kurt paid off this year and they have

1689
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:12,780
pretty good relations equally now the

1690
01:10:18,020 --> 01:10:14,460
question I have here though is they

1691
01:10:20,300 --> 01:10:18,030
eventually split up and rain moved his

1692
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:20,310
operations to Wisconsin start his own

1693
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,370
magazine in fact in a sense one of his

1694
01:10:28,460 --> 01:10:25,980
publications search was almost a rival

1695
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:28,470
to fate was there some kind of falling

1696
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:31,470
out between Kurt fuller and I know they

1697
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:33,810
thought nope not really falling out it's

1698
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:36,810
just that my dad and mom about this my

1699
01:10:41,630 --> 01:10:39,330
mom's story they thought Kurt and then

1700
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:41,640
we're gonna be living close together

1701
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:44,040
each one of them but it turned out my

1702
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:46,410
dad came up with Johnson here and Kirk

1703
01:10:50,780 --> 01:10:48,360
didn't want to leave whatever home he

1704
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:50,790
had or whatever next end so it was more

1705
01:10:55,940 --> 01:10:53,610
of a distant things than a personal

1706
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:55,950
because actually all all I can remember

1707
01:11:00,380 --> 01:10:58,260
as far as Curt and Mary Fuller's there

1708
01:11:01,610 --> 01:11:00,390
they had quite a good relation mom would

1709
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,620
actually talk to Mary for a while and

1710
01:11:05,750 --> 01:11:03,120
everything and there's sort of a

1711
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:05,760
humorous story about Mary fuller because

1712
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:07,739
Mary Kohler was sort of a proper lady

1713
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:10,050
and didn't think much of my dad's

1714
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:12,900
shenanigans I they say that's maybe part

1715
01:11:17,690 --> 01:11:15,450
of the issue that was raised by Jerome

1716
01:11:19,940 --> 01:11:17,700
Clark was once a managing editor of fate

1717
01:11:21,620 --> 01:11:19,950
magazine but go on please so again Mary

1718
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:21,630
didn't think much they were friends and

1719
01:11:24,170 --> 01:11:22,560
everything but she just didn't think

1720
01:11:27,340 --> 01:11:24,180
about them like hey my dad's nagging him

1721
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:27,350
but then after certainly for Mary died

1722
01:11:33,410 --> 01:11:30,239
somebody had written in state an article

1723
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,420
about my dad and Mary called mama fit to

1724
01:11:37,370 --> 01:11:35,280
be tied because she said none of this is

1725
01:11:39,380 --> 01:11:37,380
true though they talked about mom was

1726
01:11:42,590 --> 01:11:39,390
quite amused about Kevon was very

1727
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:42,600
easygoing but then she told me well dad

1728
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:45,600
finally want one Mary over so that was

1729
01:11:49,340 --> 01:11:47,250
after Dad died too but again it was some

1730
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:49,350
story could've been after Curt dog or

1731
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:51,330
something like that where somebody in

1732
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,250
they had made an article about that it

1733
01:11:56,979 --> 01:11:55,440
and Mary Mary finally realized what

1734
01:11:59,360 --> 01:11:56,989
they're talking about that isn't true

1735
01:12:01,729 --> 01:11:59,370
may not they may not say that she still

1736
01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:01,739
agreed with him position sometimes but

1737
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:03,630
see she just wanted the truth to be out

1738
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:07,050
so that sort of tickle my mom that as he

1739
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:09,360
said they had finally won her over even

1740
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:11,910
after he died died he went over I guess

1741
01:12:16,340 --> 01:12:13,710
that was the impression that Jerome

1742
01:12:17,129 --> 01:12:16,350
Clark had of the whole thing that faded

1743
01:12:20,010 --> 01:12:17,139
much like

1744
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,020
Ray Palmer and maybe that came from Mary

1745
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:22,480
fuller no I interviewed the Fuller's in

1746
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:25,510
the 1980s and I found them to be a

1747
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:27,610
really engaging couple you know really a

1748
01:12:31,709 --> 01:12:30,369
lot of fun to talk to and I had a great

1749
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,719
interview that's also one of the

1750
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:33,040
interviews by the way we are going to

1751
01:12:36,330 --> 01:12:34,810
publish one of these days but it was

1752
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:36,340
really fascinating to have talked to

1753
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:37,960
them and talked to people who were at

1754
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,719
the pioneers of UFO research but of

1755
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,880
course this wasn't a time here where

1756
01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:45,040
faint magazine I guess did fairly well

1757
01:12:49,169 --> 01:12:47,320
on the newsstands for many years but

1758
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:49,179
your father had all sorts of problems

1759
01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:51,850
with his publications and finally he had

1760
01:12:56,910 --> 01:12:54,310
to start his own printing plant yes that

1761
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:56,920
was because one of those distributors

1762
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:00,400
went bankrupt and the story is they old

1763
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:04,210
dad sick $60,000 and back then $60,000

1764
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:06,850
was a lot of money but without that

1765
01:13:12,330 --> 01:13:11,199
money coming in for his cuz he was

1766
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:12,340
hiring commercial printers do his

1767
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:15,070
printing so what they did is they well

1768
01:13:17,700 --> 01:13:16,449
they're short on money so what mid may

1769
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:17,710
forget what Dad did is they went down

1770
01:13:22,169 --> 01:13:20,110
the bank gnarly $80,000 started as

1771
01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:22,179
operating point and we have to

1772
01:13:26,459 --> 01:13:23,830
understand here sixty thousand dollars

1773
01:13:28,290 --> 01:13:26,469
this is the 1960s right yes we're

1774
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:28,300
talking about today what would that be

1775
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:31,960
well half a million yeah and also of

1776
01:13:36,899 --> 01:13:33,850
their because he didn't they were short

1777
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:36,909
on money the printers and they couldn't

1778
01:13:40,890 --> 01:13:38,860
pay quite as quickly the printers put

1779
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:40,900
him on the back shelf so he was hard to

1780
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:43,570
get publications out on time too and I

1781
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:45,040
think that was more of the main reason

1782
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:46,090
why he they just went at their own

1783
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:48,010
business himself because they wanted to

1784
01:13:54,149 --> 01:13:51,010
try to get control their publishing

1785
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:54,159
business probably have the largest

1786
01:14:00,629 --> 01:13:57,130
circulation of any revenue first UFO

1787
01:14:02,310 --> 01:14:00,639
magazine wherever pretty much and I

1788
01:14:06,300 --> 01:14:02,320
remember the neighbor was risco

1789
01:14:07,740 --> 01:14:06,310
Wisconsin international sales today that

1790
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:07,750
magazine I used to go at the Times

1791
01:14:13,890 --> 01:14:10,540
Square buy from the little dealer where

1792
01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:13,900
I was 35 cents and then later on I ended

1793
01:14:16,890 --> 01:14:15,550
up writing for I don't know how many

1794
01:14:19,260 --> 01:14:16,900
times six years would be the regular

1795
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:19,270
column for the magazine called on the

1796
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:21,610
trail of the flying saucers which is

1797
01:14:25,979 --> 01:14:23,110
some of my best material because in

1798
01:14:27,870 --> 01:14:25,989
those days that was around the the

1799
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:27,880
country pretty much on a regular basis

1800
01:14:32,460 --> 01:14:30,580
and interviewing all kinds of Australian

1801
01:14:34,830 --> 01:14:32,470
the usual people who have all sorts of

1802
01:14:36,930 --> 01:14:34,840
experiences it's Alan it's a wonderful

1803
01:14:39,930 --> 01:14:36,940
experience and the rage magazine was

1804
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:39,940
read right yeah you had a circulation

1805
01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:45,850
where almost 40,000 I think Tim maybe in

1806
01:14:51,170 --> 01:14:47,980
the early years it was but you had if

1807
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:51,180
you know that by US postal regulations

1808
01:14:55,530 --> 01:14:54,250
what you had to indicate the number of

1809
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:55,540
copies you print you still have those

1810
01:14:58,140 --> 01:14:56,800
regulations you look at a print magazine

1811
01:15:01,320 --> 01:14:58,150
every year they got to file a notice

1812
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:01,330
with the postal service indicating

1813
01:15:04,830 --> 01:15:02,770
circulation how many printed how many

1814
01:15:06,990 --> 01:15:04,840
sold he never has circulation that high

1815
01:15:08,940 --> 01:15:07,000
but for a while was fairly high yeah

1816
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:08,950
yeah it's fairly high but again you

1817
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:10,330
could go back to the whole magazines and

1818
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:20,590
find out what they were when he changed

1819
01:15:27,630 --> 01:15:24,970
the format into smaller we seem to be

1820
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:27,640
the curse of publishing for years I know

1821
01:15:31,230 --> 01:15:29,650
they could be distributors kicked off a

1822
01:15:33,810 --> 01:15:31,240
magazine all you got to make it an eight

1823
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:33,820
by eleven book because the dealers won't

1824
01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:35,410
put it out and blah blah blah and they

1825
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:36,760
tried that didn't work and then they

1826
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:38,950
went back of the dodger size but I think

1827
01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:41,050
Reader's Digest insight the colleagues

1828
01:15:45,450 --> 01:15:43,390
one of the team the smaller digest size

1829
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:45,460
magazines that actually ever survived

1830
01:15:49,770 --> 01:15:47,710
because most dealers don't have a place

1831
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:49,780
to display those small little magazines

1832
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:52,930
not the original size maybe slip it in

1833
01:15:57,690 --> 01:15:55,210
that select horoscope and all and that

1834
01:16:00,150 --> 01:15:57,700
magazine was was all over the place and

1835
01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:00,160
he distributed himself he didn't go

1836
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:02,080
through national distributor he met with

1837
01:16:06,690 --> 01:16:04,450
the wholesalers and then loosely others

1838
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:06,700
directly having been in the business for

1839
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:09,010
many years that's almost unheard of

1840
01:16:12,780 --> 01:16:10,480
and the problem of course we used to

1841
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:12,790
always have I had done some work for

1842
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:14,890
commercial magazines at the time we're

1843
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:17,050
talking about the 60s 70s and 80s and

1844
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:19,450
the thing you'd find here is that unless

1845
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:21,010
you were very large publisher with a

1846
01:16:24,930 --> 01:16:22,990
large staff to monitor it those

1847
01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:24,940
distributors frankly would just plain

1848
01:16:27,780 --> 01:16:26,620
rip you off again to move this in a

1849
01:16:28,290 --> 01:16:27,790
moment I've heard that people might

1850
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:28,300
never do

1851
01:16:32,970 --> 01:16:30,730
Raymond B Palmer joining us with Tim

1852
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:32,980
Buckley and gene and Chris you're in the

1853
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1879
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ourselves how did we ever survive from

1880
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natural disasters like hurricane sandy

1881
01:18:00,090 --> 01:17:58,300
in the devastating summer droughts to

1882
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the family hardships brought on by a

1883
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1884
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those that have lost everything at e

1885
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1886
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1887
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1888
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1889
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from New York City wrote almost all the

1890
01:18:19,470 --> 01:18:17,050
grocery stores are closed but I managed

1891
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:19,480
to get my eat foods just in time to be

1892
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:21,730
able to help my sister and niece it is

1893
01:18:25,860 --> 01:18:23,530
better to be prepared ten years too

1894
01:18:27,810 --> 01:18:25,870
early than one day too late I can warn

1895
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you but I can't feed you heed the

1896
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warnings and do what alex is done call

1897
01:18:36,419 --> 01:18:34,000
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1898
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1899
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1900
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1901
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1902
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1903
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on a foods direct you land in Buenos

1904
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Aires then our shuttle to Santa Rosa for

1905
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a nicely furnished cabin with all

1906
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1907
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and laundry service awaits after a good

1908
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1909
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you're on a golden stag Safari for big

1910
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game but it's not Africa its Argentina

1911
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one on one guided hunts for water

1912
01:19:21,700 --> 01:19:19,250
buffalo cougar Bighorn Rams wild boar

1913
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and the biggest stag deer and South

1914
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1915
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action you can handle land rovers with

1916
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scopes all food beverages hunting guides

1917
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:35,210
ground transportation included and more

1918
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1919
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the adventure of a lifetime starts at

1920
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1921
01:19:51,850 --> 01:19:48,970
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1922
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healthy soils grow healthy plants so

1923
01:19:55,870 --> 01:19:53,630
before you plant your survival garden

1924
01:19:58,360 --> 01:19:55,880
this year is your soil healthy maximize

1925
01:20:00,490 --> 01:19:58,370
your crisis garden soil with em1 from

1926
01:20:02,230 --> 01:20:00,500
tarragon ik's em1 organic soil

1927
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:02,240
conditioner fertilizer amendment and

1928
01:20:05,860 --> 01:20:03,890
compost accelerate provides healthier

1929
01:20:08,350 --> 01:20:05,870
gardens and faster efficient garden

1930
01:20:10,030 --> 01:20:08,360
composting em1 from tarragon XCOM

1931
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:10,040
quickly improves soil structure by

1932
01:20:13,630 --> 01:20:11,840
increasing nutrient availability and

1933
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:13,640
converting organic matter into soil

1934
01:20:18,070 --> 01:20:15,710
humus this improves seed germination and

1935
01:20:20,350 --> 01:20:18,080
root growth improves plant quality size

1936
01:20:22,030 --> 01:20:20,360
color flavor nutrient value of fruits

1937
01:20:23,650 --> 01:20:22,040
and vegetables and improves shelf life

1938
01:20:25,540 --> 01:20:23,660
and when rain is not in the forecast

1939
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:25,550
your worries e-m1 improves moisture

1940
01:20:29,140 --> 01:20:27,050
retention in soils helping reduce

1941
01:20:31,330 --> 01:20:29,150
drought stress just like you prepare all

1942
01:20:33,820 --> 01:20:31,340
else prepare your crisis garden from

1943
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:33,830
maximum yields with em1 from Terra gana

1944
01:20:43,300 --> 01:20:39,050
calm order now at te RA GaN IX calm or

1945
01:20:45,670 --> 01:20:43,310
call toll-free 866 3 6 9 3 6 7 8 that's

1946
01:20:47,890 --> 01:20:45,680
eight six six three six nine three six

1947
01:20:50,230 --> 01:20:47,900
seven eight tarragon --ax life's getting

1948
01:20:56,660 --> 01:20:53,750
hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

1949
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,670
in to the para cast let me tell you what

1950
01:21:02,540 --> 01:20:59,040
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

1951
01:21:05,750 --> 01:21:02,550
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

1952
01:21:08,300 --> 01:21:05,760
that George snoring fascinating

1953
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:08,310
remembrances of Rainbird a palmer by his

1954
01:21:12,940 --> 01:21:10,890
son Raymond D Palmer and Tim Beckley on

1955
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,950
the power cast with Gene and Kris

1956
01:21:17,660 --> 01:21:15,360
exploring right now the publications

1957
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:17,670
that Ray had flying saucers magazines

1958
01:21:22,730 --> 01:21:20,370
search magazine and then later he

1959
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:22,740
decided to bring back a lot of the

1960
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:24,810
classic Schafer stories in the heatin

1961
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:27,090
world which Tim has since republished

1962
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:29,130
okay come back one thing Tim where

1963
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:30,600
you're just talking about fate magazine

1964
01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:31,890
or flying saucer magazines for

1965
01:21:38,180 --> 01:21:35,790
circulation okay because I know fate was

1966
01:21:41,170 --> 01:21:38,190
a lot higher than flying saucers yeah I

1967
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:41,180
think I think one time actually had

1968
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:44,130
circulation about 135,000 that was

1969
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:47,610
including subscriptions but it happened

1970
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:51,330
that kind of came back to bite them is

1971
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:53,010
that most of the subscription to a

1972
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:54,210
published through that Publishers

1973
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,890
Clearing House where you get you know

1974
01:21:59,330 --> 01:21:57,600
like a dot even though they said that

1975
01:22:01,880 --> 01:21:59,340
magazine for three dollars for tourists

1976
01:22:03,740 --> 01:22:01,890
you end up giving them dollar well you

1977
01:22:05,210 --> 01:22:03,750
could just be advertising the supporter

1978
01:22:07,730 --> 01:22:05,220
like a lot of major magazines that's

1979
01:22:09,890 --> 01:22:07,740
fine it's all just like sound money but

1980
01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:09,900
the postage rate rates kept going up and

1981
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:12,120
up and up as did the printing so at the

1982
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:14,340
end they had no cash coming in but they

1983
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:16,920
still had to send out like thirty or

1984
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:18,570
forty thousand subscriptions or the

1985
01:22:21,980 --> 01:22:20,130
people that had faded dollars of their

1986
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:21,990
magazine so basically you'd be

1987
01:22:29,390 --> 01:22:26,940
publishing that magazine at a loss they

1988
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:29,400
don't have advertising published to

1989
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:33,120
break-even avoid a loss I did a probably

1990
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:35,010
packaged in there published about thirty

1991
01:22:39,530 --> 01:22:37,290
magazine seventy years and most of them

1992
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:39,540
if they broke even and only lasted maybe

1993
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:42,000
six issues you were doing that I did now

1994
01:22:45,350 --> 01:22:43,890
in those things the national

1995
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:45,360
distributors would give you an advance

1996
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:46,650
at whichever you're pretty in here in

1997
01:22:50,510 --> 01:22:48,810
this of course their sales of pulp

1998
01:22:51,770 --> 01:22:50,520
magazines disintegrated well they

1999
01:22:53,690 --> 01:22:51,780
wouldn't do that anymore and they would

2000
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:53,700
take back the money that you made on one

2001
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,800
magazine because the energy that you

2002
01:23:00,110 --> 01:22:57,900
were publishing didn't make anybody see

2003
01:23:01,940 --> 01:23:00,120
that's electric somebody in the court

2004
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,950
for the gratings they yeah essentially

2005
01:23:04,939 --> 01:23:03,360
after a while

2006
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:04,949
that's exactly what's happened to my dad

2007
01:23:08,660 --> 01:23:06,420
would when he can acquired in space

2008
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:08,670
world magazine this was interesting

2009
01:23:13,459 --> 01:23:10,710
because tell me about this year now

2010
01:23:15,879 --> 01:23:13,469
after publishing occult magazines you

2011
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:15,889
know unusual strange unusual

2012
01:23:22,729 --> 01:23:19,050
publications your dad came out with

2013
01:23:24,979 --> 01:23:22,739
something that was totally out of left

2014
01:23:28,330 --> 01:23:24,989
field I guess he acquired space world

2015
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:28,340
magazine we're talking here about a

2016
01:23:33,709 --> 01:23:31,409
scientific publication oh yes he

2017
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:33,719
acquired it I can't remember name Tim

2018
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:44,629
magazine for a while he also didn't

2019
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:47,250
rocket what would it rocket world we did

2020
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:49,590
what was that yeah rockets nothing

2021
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,170
rocket exchange yes that didn't do too

2022
01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:54,239
well but again when he acquired space

2023
01:23:59,330 --> 01:23:56,760
orders exactly what you said it was done

2024
01:24:02,600 --> 01:23:59,340
by these companies that sold it at such

2025
01:24:04,910 --> 01:24:02,610
a discount truly a 30,000 copies

2026
01:24:07,609 --> 01:24:04,920
circulation but they weren't making any

2027
01:24:09,290 --> 01:24:07,619
money off it that's why I think bender

2028
01:24:11,629 --> 01:24:09,300
gave it to my dad or whatever they

2029
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,639
acquired as some way because he had

2030
01:24:15,620 --> 01:24:13,920
30,000 copies he had to supply every

2031
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:15,630
month but he wasn't making any money off

2032
01:24:18,979 --> 01:24:18,570
it so what my dad did is he once he took

2033
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:18,989
it over

2034
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,150
they ran to 30,000 till subscriptions

2035
01:24:25,100 --> 01:24:23,280
for ran out and then he went basically

2036
01:24:27,379 --> 01:24:25,110
he didn't newsstands to but he did

2037
01:24:29,540 --> 01:24:27,389
basically a subscription price and so

2038
01:24:31,459 --> 01:24:29,550
the circulation cut down but that's face

2039
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:31,469
so it was a good moneymaker and which

2040
01:24:35,930 --> 01:24:34,050
they had said that made money to fund

2041
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,940
his own other operations like Tim says

2042
01:24:39,050 --> 01:24:37,920
some of the other operations don't make

2043
01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:39,060
money but you still want to do them

2044
01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,150
though so Tim of course you got into

2045
01:24:45,709 --> 01:24:43,980
publishing were you heavily influenced

2046
01:24:54,919 --> 01:24:45,719
by Ray Palmer when you got in your own

2047
01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:54,929
business today

2048
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:57,960
Ray Palmer and of course great Barker

2049
01:25:03,859 --> 01:25:01,199
great blocker read a column for Ray

2050
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:03,869
Palmer called chasing the flying saucers

2051
01:25:10,459 --> 01:25:06,530
I guess they've been influenced the

2052
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:10,469
great way I went out and I searched high

2053
01:25:14,570 --> 01:25:12,060
and low for every issue of flying

2054
01:25:16,940 --> 01:25:14,580
saucers magazine and search which

2055
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:16,950
originally I think wasn't really with it

2056
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:20,730
mystics okay yes it was mystic first yes

2057
01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:24,930
I ever thought with every issue its our

2058
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:26,820
definition does that I could have found

2059
01:25:32,420 --> 01:25:29,310
with them cover to cover and you know I

2060
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:32,430
still have them some of them today they

2061
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:34,440
don't hold up well those pulp magazines

2062
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:36,930
are about exactly collectibles it's I

2063
01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:38,730
like collecting the Dead Sea Scrolls or

2064
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:40,950
something but I still have quite a few

2065
01:25:48,020 --> 01:25:43,530
of them up here in little bags of one

2066
01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:48,030
sort of another keep my troubles I don't

2067
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,740
have all the all the copies I sure wish

2068
01:25:53,660 --> 01:25:50,880
I had all the issues that my dad

2069
01:25:55,340 --> 01:25:53,670
published but I'm missing some do well

2070
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:55,350
unfortunately I was looking around the

2071
01:26:00,910 --> 01:25:57,630
other day before we decide to do this

2072
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:00,920
interview I do not have a single copy

2073
01:26:06,410 --> 01:26:05,040
flying saucers research or mystic I had

2074
01:26:11,300 --> 01:26:06,420
a good collection I had all of them at

2075
01:26:13,700 --> 01:26:11,310
one time Tim my collection got like that

2076
01:26:17,870 --> 01:26:13,710
a couple of times guys slugs that's

2077
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,880
always a big problem I mean the magazine

2078
01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:20,400
never really sort of comic book

2079
01:26:23,900 --> 01:26:22,230
collectors you know because comics are

2080
01:26:27,140 --> 01:26:23,910
certainly a lot more valuable than

2081
01:26:29,660 --> 01:26:27,150
flying saucers collectible they would

2082
01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,670
keep them in airtight bags we haven't

2083
01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:30,960
really thought of doing that we kept

2084
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:32,490
them on the back porch or in the cellar

2085
01:26:43,550 --> 01:26:35,570
or in some storage unit somewhere and

2086
01:26:46,190 --> 01:26:43,560
they went pretty quickly circulation but

2087
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:46,200
you know people still do having a lot of

2088
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:47,880
the original people people who would

2089
01:26:53,620 --> 01:26:50,400
have registered search magazine listed

2090
01:26:56,780 --> 01:26:53,630
of course has since passed over and

2091
01:26:58,250 --> 01:26:56,790
usually the next generation had has no

2092
01:27:01,160 --> 01:26:58,260
interest in the stuff in and the

2093
01:27:02,900 --> 01:27:01,170
dumpsters was yeah that's been my

2094
01:27:04,730 --> 01:27:02,910
problem I do have a story about that -

2095
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:04,740
sure - shaver

2096
01:27:10,580 --> 01:27:07,440
shaver with the painter is earlier the

2097
01:27:13,490 --> 01:27:10,590
other artist - and we had many many of

2098
01:27:15,980 --> 01:27:13,500
his paintings here and like Tim said we

2099
01:27:18,020 --> 01:27:15,990
to us they weren't they were nice never

2100
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:18,030
thinking but they weren't special

2101
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:19,890
special so we put them on the back shelf

2102
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:21,810
and then they got damaged by water and

2103
01:27:25,610 --> 01:27:23,370
today if I had all those paintings I'd

2104
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:25,620
be a millionaire so I believe Richard

2105
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:27,540
shavers has several some people have

2106
01:27:30,709 --> 01:27:29,250
collections of his paintings and some

2107
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:30,719
have been shown in museums now

2108
01:27:35,570 --> 01:27:33,840
yes yes but again for Chris Martineau

2109
01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:35,580
strange story and Richard shavers

2110
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:37,140
painting some if you remember Richard

2111
01:27:43,670 --> 01:27:40,290
shavers paintings he did many girl test

2112
01:27:47,950 --> 01:27:43,680
type creatures and image like 3d image

2113
01:27:50,780 --> 01:27:47,960
upon image years ago I met his daughter

2114
01:27:52,820 --> 01:27:50,790
his daughter had never never seen her

2115
01:27:54,380 --> 01:27:52,830
father anything and she some mouth on

2116
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:54,390
about my mother and she contacted her

2117
01:27:58,729 --> 01:27:55,860
and she came over and we had we have

2118
01:27:59,930 --> 01:27:58,739
videos not videos but of hold up sixteen

2119
01:28:03,380 --> 01:27:59,940
millimeter tapes of her father and

2120
01:28:04,939 --> 01:28:03,390
everything and we were filled her what

2121
01:28:08,150 --> 01:28:04,949
her father looked like and what he what

2122
01:28:09,709 --> 01:28:08,160
he was doing we talked about it and then

2123
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:09,719
we start talking about what she did and

2124
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:12,330
she she's a painter too and then she

2125
01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:15,090
sold showed us some of her paintings and

2126
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:17,940
here you have paintings there she never

2127
01:28:22,100 --> 01:28:19,920
knew her father anything didn't know

2128
01:28:23,870 --> 01:28:22,110
that he was alive until because their

2129
01:28:25,970 --> 01:28:23,880
grandparents said that he Richard had

2130
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:25,980
died so she thought he had died that

2131
01:28:30,260 --> 01:28:27,930
Nina is alive but she saw his name into

2132
01:28:34,670 --> 01:28:30,270
a science fiction magazine or register

2133
01:28:36,370 --> 01:28:34,680
and then we see her paintings and

2134
01:28:39,410 --> 01:28:36,380
there's a claim paintings acid'

2135
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:39,420
grotesque pink beach pictures of

2136
01:28:45,709 --> 01:28:44,400
creatures multi-dimensional so that it's

2137
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:45,719
just strange that she's doing the same

2138
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:50,489
type of pain as Richard did oh well is

2139
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:54,449
there any repository today of any of

2140
01:29:00,229 --> 01:28:57,170
this vintage Richard shaver material

2141
01:29:01,970 --> 01:29:00,239
well I guess there has been some Museum

2142
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or something that hasn't had a show on

2143
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interest paintings bite on which one it

2144
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is he travels around with shavers of

2145
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paintings and denser things in the

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partners art museums that it's not a

2147
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permanent collection in one in one place

2148
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you can do it on the internet I think

2149
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you could be watching Chicago those

2150
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different places as an exhibitor and one

2151
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other thing about his paintings again

2152
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it's just like I said I just thought of

2153
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interested in him and his daughter to

2154
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paint the same thing and she never

2155
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knowing this about her father but also

2156
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if you remember Tammy remember the book

2157
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philosophy the paintings the paintings

2158
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that are in back there there's several

2159
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more multi-dimensional to with image

2160
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bunny

2161
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and my dad used to say that maybe this

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is where shaver is getting his

2163
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information to from the same cloth you

2164
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know when I was 15 years old I was

2165
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selling to be put to the dropshipping

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planet and we say they'll ask me and in

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those days even with the weather binding

2168
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it is like ten dollars and we have to

2169
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explain we need to explain what Awasthi

2170
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is and what this is all about because I

2171
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know ray sold this very lovely carefully

2172
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crafted addition of a waspey we have to

2173
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explain that in the story behind it

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coming up this is to be very

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conservative about it one fascinating

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episode we have Tim Buckley sometimes

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called mr. UFO and we have Raymond be

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Palmer joining us and Jean and Chris

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cast because you will learn a great deal

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on paranormal with Gina and Chris we

2277
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have Raymond B Palmer and Tim Buckley

2278
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and we've raised a discussion of

2279
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something that we've never talked about

2280
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on the podcast now let either you Ray or

2281
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you Tim describe it what is what I

2282
01:35:29,270 --> 01:35:27,630
mentioned when I was in my teens I used

2283
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to sell this book or lastly which is

2284
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about 800 pages every dance edition was

2285
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today I actually have a two million

2286
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seventies and fifty page set that's the

2287
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Raymond a pas maturity of admission of

2288
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RSP and it still starts in the state and

2289
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the organization behind the book is

2290
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still very active and they have their

2291
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own publication and their own Museum in

2292
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New Mexico anyway Chinle explain a

2293
01:36:00,230 --> 01:35:57,330
little bit about just few the Bloods oh

2294
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:00,240
yes I could again I get my dad has it

2295
01:36:04,220 --> 01:36:02,490
action to issue that velocity that he

2296
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:04,230
published he does have very good account

2297
01:36:08,600 --> 01:36:06,090
in the back of it how the book

2298
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originated but basically it wasn't

2299
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written by automatic writing by John

2300
01:36:16,010 --> 01:36:13,230
knew burl and it was written at a

2301
01:36:20,210 --> 01:36:16,020
incredible speed on an old Scholes puck

2302
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:20,220
writer and the story was or was was a

2303
01:36:25,450 --> 01:36:22,320
dentist but he was interested in the

2304
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:25,460
spiritual it was very big at that time

2305
01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:28,320
and again I wish I had to be right in

2306
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:30,600
front of me so I don't that's called

2307
01:36:34,460 --> 01:36:33,090
anything but again he he had a vision I

2308
01:36:36,500 --> 01:36:34,470
guess yes he had a vision where these

2309
01:36:39,050 --> 01:36:36,510
lights came into his room and he wanted

2310
01:36:43,250 --> 01:36:39,060
to know about what was I guess what the

2311
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:43,260
truth was and these angels or visions

2312
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:45,330
told him that for 10 years he had to

2313
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:47,730
live a simple lifestyle not eating meat

2314
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:50,130
help people out whenever he could and at

2315
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:52,230
that time he'd be ready to receive this

2316
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:54,840
information so the he talked about this

2317
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,250
to his one of his friends he said well

2318
01:37:00,200 --> 01:36:58,320
okay it's a hard thing to do about this

2319
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:00,210
friend said well I'll I'll help you do

2320
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:02,610
this so you can so you can do this 10

2321
01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:02,910
year

2322
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:05,580
fast we call it and after the tenure

2323
01:37:11,060 --> 01:37:08,400
these lights came again and these people

2324
01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:11,070
came and told him to buy a typewriter

2325
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:14,430
and get paper and no girl did this and

2326
01:37:20,810 --> 01:37:17,570
then every morning sometime before

2327
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:20,820
morning he would sit at typewriters and

2328
01:37:24,530 --> 01:37:22,170
his fingers would just move

2329
01:37:27,230 --> 01:37:24,540
automatically typing at a incredible

2330
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:27,240
rate of speed and I can't remember what

2331
01:37:31,430 --> 01:37:29,970
there was again if you look at what my

2332
01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:31,440
dad well you could tell how fast he said

2333
01:37:35,810 --> 01:37:33,990
he was typing we're talking about what

2334
01:37:39,290 --> 01:37:35,820
1880 or something so you could imagine

2335
01:37:40,820 --> 01:37:39,300
the typewriters of that period I think

2336
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:40,830
he said like 90 words a minute which

2337
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:43,770
would have been incredibly impossible

2338
01:37:49,580 --> 01:37:46,770
and on those on those machines but yeah

2339
01:37:51,410 --> 01:37:49,590
quite a following for a while you know

2340
01:37:53,660 --> 01:37:51,420
he lived in upstate New York he was a

2341
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,670
dentist he lived in upstate in New York

2342
01:37:58,490 --> 01:37:54,960
in that part of the country is very

2343
01:38:00,980 --> 01:37:58,500
active in paranormal phenomena of course

2344
01:38:03,260 --> 01:38:00,990
that's where the the Fox sisters first

2345
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:03,270
said their tappings on the wirl right

2346
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:06,410
and then of course we the Church of

2347
01:38:12,590 --> 01:38:09,690
Mormon was actually started there that's

2348
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:12,600
where revisions took place the golden

2349
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:16,290
tablets were supposedly founded so the

2350
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,510
creation or Las be kind of wasn't out of

2351
01:38:23,570 --> 01:38:20,880
sync with what was going on at that time

2352
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:23,580
but the many people actually consider

2353
01:38:28,610 --> 01:38:26,130
ask me one of the most important books

2354
01:38:32,060 --> 01:38:28,620
ever written and supposedly it was

2355
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:32,070
channeled it for use in a better time by

2356
01:38:38,030 --> 01:38:35,370
these being celestial beings who told

2357
01:38:40,340 --> 01:38:38,040
about the history of the planet earth

2358
01:38:43,490 --> 01:38:40,350
and the universe going back under the

2359
01:38:46,220 --> 01:38:43,500
thousands of thousands of years and it

2360
01:38:47,810 --> 01:38:46,230
had a lot of materia they're not on the

2361
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:47,820
atlantis and lemuria

2362
01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:50,490
that i can which is supposed to be a

2363
01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:54,450
lost continent that existed oh yes yes

2364
01:38:59,060 --> 01:38:57,120
that's the basic history of the earth

2365
01:39:01,280 --> 01:38:59,070
and also we have a spit written in two

2366
01:39:04,580 --> 01:39:01,290
parts the book was the top part of the

2367
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:04,590
page was the history of the what lost we

2368
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:07,410
call the lower heavens which that they

2369
01:39:12,770 --> 01:39:10,410
say influence the people on earth and

2370
01:39:15,260 --> 01:39:12,780
then it probably corresponds to the

2371
01:39:16,700 --> 01:39:15,270
history on earth so basically if there's

2372
01:39:17,900 --> 01:39:16,710
wars in the lower heavens

2373
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:17,910
eventually there's gonna be wars on

2374
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:20,400
earth it's just it's just again the

2375
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:22,290
shit's going back to shaver because they

2376
01:39:25,670 --> 01:39:23,489
had wood don't I say that well that's

2377
01:39:28,220 --> 01:39:25,680
similar services shaver says we're

2378
01:39:31,450 --> 01:39:28,230
influenced and then waspey says yes we

2379
01:39:33,620 --> 01:39:31,460
are influenced by that these uh beans

2380
01:39:37,220 --> 01:39:33,630
you want to calm spirits aware you are

2381
01:39:39,950 --> 01:39:37,230
calm so that is the basic text of the

2382
01:39:43,130 --> 01:39:39,960
book and again it has some person what

2383
01:39:45,490 --> 01:39:43,140
the book on cosmic laws cosmology that's

2384
01:39:47,630 --> 01:39:45,500
many scientific what we call scientific

2385
01:39:49,820 --> 01:39:47,640
statements which deaths have come true

2386
01:39:51,950 --> 01:39:49,830
over two years and I just remember years

2387
01:39:54,650 --> 01:39:51,960
several years ago when one of the Hubble

2388
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:54,660
telescopes pictures was shown on the

2389
01:39:58,820 --> 01:39:57,210
news and I'd looked at it and I said I

2390
01:40:00,530 --> 01:39:58,830
seen this picture before and I were to

2391
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:00,540
last me and they're the same picture was

2392
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:02,370
and here they knew they picked had never

2393
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:04,560
been seen before it described what this

2394
01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:07,190
picture is all about great oh I need to

2395
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:09,180
suck it in for a second I'll get the

2396
01:40:12,170 --> 01:40:10,410
book and look at it Melanie I'll tell

2397
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:12,180
you right I'll be gone for a while ten

2398
01:40:16,610 --> 01:40:13,890
second okay well he's gone for ten

2399
01:40:18,590 --> 01:40:16,620
seconds we're going to describe what's

2400
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:18,600
going on here ladies and gentlemen with

2401
01:40:23,690 --> 01:40:21,360
a waspey some call it a Bible of some

2402
01:40:26,510 --> 01:40:23,700
sort it was received by automatic

2403
01:40:28,729 --> 01:40:26,520
writing it was typed and the book has

2404
01:41:00,350 --> 01:40:28,739
appeared in various and sundry editions

2405
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:00,360
over the years there will be portraits

2406
01:41:19,790 --> 01:41:15,110
and experience the breakfast Mac

2407
01:41:23,450 --> 01:41:19,800
obviously changes he became spiritually

2408
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:23,460
involved if you want to say and none of

2409
01:41:29,630 --> 01:41:26,850
the messages that was remember that will

2410
01:41:30,380 --> 01:41:29,640
be you should take care of the children

2411
01:41:33,590 --> 01:41:30,390
and we are

2412
01:41:38,290 --> 01:41:33,600
so we actually had a colony they set up

2413
01:41:40,730 --> 01:41:38,300
headquarters in New Mexico and set up a

2414
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:40,740
community there where they actually

2415
01:41:46,670 --> 01:41:44,250
except that our competitor they had to

2416
01:41:49,790 --> 01:41:46,680
have an office at that point but then

2417
01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:49,800
the I guess just around the returning

2418
01:41:55,010 --> 01:41:51,540
the century or maybe you slightly before

2419
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:55,020
the economy turned and we some of the

2420
01:41:59,500 --> 01:41:56,490
buildings I think they're still there

2421
01:42:02,510 --> 01:41:59,510
and not a very good condition that we

2422
01:42:04,190 --> 01:42:02,520
the organization you know one thing I

2423
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:04,200
always talked about a lot see Jean was

2424
01:42:09,020 --> 01:42:06,690
it was not preachy you neither accepted

2425
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:09,030
it or bled into it they didn't go out of

2426
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:10,530
dying on people's doors and try to

2427
01:42:16,340 --> 01:42:13,770
convert them it's a history book kind of

2428
01:42:19,190 --> 01:42:16,350
merged with a little bit of spiritual

2429
01:42:22,130 --> 01:42:19,200
not as expert you ala tear to it there

2430
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:22,140
are sanctions all over the country

2431
01:42:26,990 --> 01:42:24,050
perhaps all over the world but still

2432
01:42:29,210 --> 01:42:27,000
read the book Japan discussed the book

2433
01:42:31,100 --> 01:42:29,220
and have meetings I think there's even

2434
01:42:34,990 --> 01:42:31,110
one here in the in Brooklyn even though

2435
01:42:38,150 --> 01:42:35,000
I had never attended any of their group

2436
01:42:41,990 --> 01:42:38,160
meetings and if you go to youtube and

2437
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,000
type in velocity which is felt ofh SPE

2438
01:42:46,610 --> 01:42:44,000
I think they're even some low-budget

2439
01:42:48,710 --> 01:42:46,620
documentaries that have been made about

2440
01:42:51,440 --> 01:42:48,720
the work that about the teachings of the

2441
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:51,450
book ok I'm back now to and what it says

2442
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:53,250
in the book the fourth age of the vortex

2443
01:43:00,200 --> 01:42:57,530
and alas P it says the creation like the

2444
01:43:02,060 --> 01:43:00,210
galaxies everything are all they call

2445
01:43:05,150 --> 01:43:02,070
the force of the vortex or what we call

2446
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:05,160
gravity and as planets and stars are

2447
01:43:09,620 --> 01:43:06,870
formed they are influenced by this

2448
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:09,630
vortex in different stages of their life

2449
01:43:14,420 --> 01:43:12,570
they exhibit different shapes and

2450
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:14,430
everything so this this photo from

2451
01:43:19,460 --> 01:43:17,460
Hubble showed what they said was I

2452
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:19,470
believe two stars or something in

2453
01:43:24,890 --> 01:43:22,320
certain periods over the life and now I

2454
01:43:26,690 --> 01:43:24,900
just remember seeing this in a waspy so

2455
01:43:29,090 --> 01:43:26,700
it wasn't the first time this pictures

2456
01:43:32,300 --> 01:43:29,100
been shown so the sense here is that

2457
01:43:35,450 --> 01:43:32,310
there's things in OSP that somehow

2458
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:35,460
predict future discoveries anything else

2459
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:38,790
or our new our new what we are now

2460
01:43:44,060 --> 01:43:42,060
learning as some science sure are where

2461
01:43:45,710 --> 01:43:44,070
you're bar science is proving for us

2462
01:43:46,850 --> 01:43:45,720
I don't like to use the word science

2463
01:43:50,270 --> 01:43:46,860
because so many people use the word

2464
01:43:52,700 --> 01:43:50,280
science I think not correctly science is

2465
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:52,710
good to prove things and order mass

2466
01:43:56,180 --> 01:43:54,090
produce something or something like that

2467
01:43:58,160 --> 01:43:56,190
the finest doesn't always isn't always

2468
01:44:00,500 --> 01:43:58,170
good that's showing everything something

2469
01:44:02,300 --> 01:44:00,510
that happens very very rarely or only

2470
01:44:03,380 --> 01:44:02,310
once at a time plants can't prove but it

2471
01:44:05,690 --> 01:44:03,390
certainly doesn't mean that it doesn't

2472
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:05,700
didn't exist we were talking about here

2473
01:44:10,340 --> 01:44:08,610
repeatable events so science works best

2474
01:44:12,530 --> 01:44:10,350
with repeatable events but a single

2475
01:44:14,660 --> 01:44:12,540
phenomenon or something that happens at

2476
01:44:16,670 --> 01:44:14,670
random but you can predict doesn't work

2477
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:16,680
so well what it still doesn't mean that

2478
01:44:20,180 --> 01:44:18,480
it's not true and we our lifespan may be

2479
01:44:22,190 --> 01:44:20,190
not long enough for us to prove it that

2480
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:22,200
way but just because you can't prove it

2481
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:23,970
readily people just tend to ignore

2482
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:26,400
things too people don't like to know all

2483
01:44:30,590 --> 01:44:28,530
that a lot of times and that's very what

2484
01:44:32,030 --> 01:44:30,600
shaver did well that's part of the

2485
01:44:34,100 --> 01:44:32,040
problem with the UFO mystery is the fact

2486
01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:34,110
that you really can't predict when the

2487
01:44:37,610 --> 01:44:36,450
UFO sightings are occurring you might

2488
01:44:39,830 --> 01:44:37,620
have areas where you have a lot of

2489
01:44:41,990 --> 01:44:39,840
sightings and maybe you'll see another

2490
01:44:44,060 --> 01:44:42,000
maybe you won't and quite often in the

2491
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:44,070
UFO field where you do have a wave of

2492
01:44:47,900 --> 01:44:45,780
sightings in a specific area

2493
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:47,910
as soon as lots of people start looking

2494
01:44:53,780 --> 01:44:51,510
there they're no longer around so yes I

2495
01:44:56,180 --> 01:44:53,790
ant predict it's gonna be there what do

2496
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:56,190
you do yeah and what I'm waiting for now

2497
01:45:00,110 --> 01:44:57,780
seeing everybody has a cellphone with a

2498
01:45:01,790 --> 01:45:00,120
camera throughout the world we should be

2499
01:45:03,350 --> 01:45:01,800
getting more pictures and I'm not sure

2500
01:45:04,610 --> 01:45:03,360
Tim probably knows this more are we

2501
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:04,620
getting more pictures out there just not

2502
01:45:09,650 --> 01:45:06,810
reporting on the news or as if they're

2503
01:45:10,940 --> 01:45:09,660
in a lull so that's what I'm any further

2504
01:45:12,710 --> 01:45:10,950
should because I don't think we're

2505
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:12,720
seeing we're seeing the type of increase

2506
01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:15,440
that you would expect based on the

2507
01:45:20,660 --> 01:45:18,450
perforation of Technology we got much

2508
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:20,670
more to do with Raymond B Palmer Tim

2509
01:45:28,030 --> 01:45:22,890
Beckley with Gene and Kris you're in the

2510
01:45:34,820 --> 01:45:31,640
the GC and radio network providing the

2511
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:34,830
world with hard-hitting talk radio G C

2512
01:45:41,300 --> 01:45:39,570
and great talk radio starts here hi this

2513
01:45:43,730 --> 01:45:41,310
is Ted Anderson if you'd like to listen

2514
01:45:46,370 --> 01:45:43,740
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2515
01:45:48,590 --> 01:45:46,380
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2516
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2517
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2518
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2519
01:45:56,630 --> 01:45:54,210
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2520
01:45:59,180 --> 01:45:56,640
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2521
01:46:01,040 --> 01:45:59,190
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2522
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2523
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2524
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:05,190
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2525
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:07,170
listening to GC and live.com again

2526
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:09,690
that's GC & live.com hi this is Ted

2527
01:46:13,220 --> 01:46:11,310
Anderson have you ever wondered why Bank

2528
01:46:14,990 --> 01:46:13,230
staff workers investment advisors won't

2529
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:15,000
talk about gold IRAs they've been

2530
01:46:19,070 --> 01:46:17,370
available since 1986 yet the financial

2531
01:46:20,750 --> 01:46:19,080
industry won't recognize the value of

2532
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:20,760
gold for your retirement goal has

2533
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,710
outperformed paper investments yet no

2534
01:46:27,530 --> 01:46:24,480
word about IRAs if you would like to

2535
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:27,540
have gold for your retirement call 866

2536
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,210
to 237 don't get left behind by rising

2537
01:46:40,120 --> 01:46:33,360
inflation and low returns call 866 to

2538
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:42,620
injuries slow healing bakes and pains

2539
01:46:46,580 --> 01:46:45,119
constipation weakness fatigue are all

2540
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,590
common the older one gets the

2541
01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:48,239
progressive deterioration of the body

2542
01:46:52,669 --> 01:46:50,369
that occurs almost universally the older

2543
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:52,679
one gets can partly to significantly be

2544
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:54,480
prevented with conscientious attention

2545
01:46:59,000 --> 01:46:57,119
to nutrition if the Hansa man can play

2546
01:47:00,979 --> 01:46:59,010
rugby in their 90's then it is possible

2547
01:47:02,899 --> 01:47:00,989
for everyone in north america to

2548
01:47:05,209 --> 01:47:02,909
experience a more youthful life as well

2549
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:05,219
one key ingredient to warding off aging

2550
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:07,199
and reversing some of it is the type and

2551
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:09,449
quality of protein consumed all protein

2552
01:47:13,220 --> 01:47:10,739
foods or supplements you currently

2553
01:47:15,050 --> 01:47:13,230
consume are heat damage destroying fifty

2554
01:47:17,419 --> 01:47:15,060
to seventy-five percent of your ability

2555
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:17,429
to utilize the body building amino acids

2556
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:20,010
one world whey is not heat damaged and

2557
01:47:25,370 --> 01:47:22,650
allows your body to utilize 100% of the

2558
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:25,380
amino acids this feat no one else has

2559
01:47:30,109 --> 01:47:27,570
achieved the results to your health can

2560
01:47:31,580 --> 01:47:30,119
be amazing call eight eight eight nine

2561
01:47:33,379 --> 01:47:31,590
eight eight three three two five that's

2562
01:47:36,500 --> 01:47:33,389
eight eight eight nine eight eight three

2563
01:47:42,750 --> 01:47:36,510
three two five or visit one world wacom

2564
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,120
[Music]

2565
01:47:54,129 --> 01:47:49,820
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2566
01:48:01,850 --> 01:47:54,139
standard of paranormal radio and now

2567
01:48:04,580 --> 01:48:01,860
here's Jane Steinberg so the point that

2568
01:48:06,350 --> 01:48:04,590
Chris O'Brien raised on the power cast

2569
01:48:09,080 --> 01:48:06,360
with Jean Steinberg and Chris O'Brien

2570
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:09,090
the point that he raised at the end of

2571
01:48:13,850 --> 01:48:11,730
our previous segment is that with all

2572
01:48:16,669 --> 01:48:13,860
this technology the ease of making

2573
01:48:19,129 --> 01:48:16,679
movies we all have a camcorder in our

2574
01:48:21,229 --> 01:48:19,139
pocket our smart phones our iOS

2575
01:48:24,109 --> 01:48:21,239
smartphones or Apple smart phones or

2576
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:24,119
Android smartphones all these gadgets

2577
01:48:28,250 --> 01:48:27,090
hundreds of millions of cameras hundreds

2578
01:48:31,700 --> 01:48:28,260
of millions of camcorders we're not

2579
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:31,710
seeing this great increase of pictures

2580
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,290
or movies being taken of UFOs we're

2581
01:48:39,050 --> 01:48:36,960
talking with Raymond B Palmer and Tim

2582
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:39,060
Beckley so Chris you want to expand on

2583
01:48:42,979 --> 01:48:40,650
that because you're in the process of

2584
01:48:44,510 --> 01:48:42,989
setting up these webcams correct

2585
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:44,520
you know that's it's something that that

2586
01:48:49,850 --> 01:48:47,510
that I predicted and others obviously

2587
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:49,860
surmised 20 years ago

2588
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:52,400
that with the advent of affordable

2589
01:48:58,010 --> 01:48:55,290
technology imaging technology that we

2590
01:49:00,020 --> 01:48:58,020
would gradually see as this technology

2591
01:49:03,050 --> 01:49:00,030
became more affordable we'd gradually

2592
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:03,060
see an increase of visual evidence and I

2593
01:49:07,100 --> 01:49:05,610
think what's happening is is because the

2594
01:49:09,609 --> 01:49:07,110
technology has become affordable we're

2595
01:49:12,109 --> 01:49:09,619
seeing more hoaxes we're seeing more

2596
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:12,119
confabulated events that are passed off

2597
01:49:17,330 --> 01:49:14,250
as as the real thing you know with the

2598
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:17,340
with the advent of After Effects and an

2599
01:49:22,879 --> 01:49:20,400
affordable you know editing and special

2600
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,889
effects programs desktop versions that

2601
01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,199
people can comply with we're seeing some

2602
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:28,080
very very well crafted hoaxes but in

2603
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:31,710
terms of objects that exhibit what could

2604
01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:34,320
be called diagnostic of evidence of

2605
01:49:41,540 --> 01:49:37,170
something hi stranger I don't personally

2606
01:49:47,660 --> 01:49:41,550
see a spike in in reports and good

2607
01:49:49,700 --> 01:49:47,670
footage how about you Tim well kind of

2608
01:49:53,060 --> 01:49:49,710
in the eye of the beholder because what

2609
01:49:59,060 --> 01:49:53,070
you may see is a fake somebody else made

2610
01:50:02,870 --> 01:49:59,070
he has legitimate now video on YouTube

2611
01:50:04,730 --> 01:50:02,880
but then increase the trust I mean there

2612
01:50:07,130 --> 01:50:04,740
are thousands and thousands of thousands

2613
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:07,140
we don't have that many hours of the day

2614
01:50:11,150 --> 01:50:09,330
to watch them all now to say what's

2615
01:50:12,830 --> 01:50:11,160
authentic in what is work I think yeah I

2616
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:12,840
mean obviously the ones that were taking

2617
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,610
over Haiti really you are for comes down

2618
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:16,800
under the palm tree I mean that that's

2619
01:50:20,330 --> 01:50:19,920
pretty ridiculous should not be targeted

2620
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:20,340
yeah

2621
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:22,530
it's a hunk subsonic believing in the

2622
01:50:27,050 --> 01:50:24,330
billion lire and something like that you

2623
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:27,060
know the others are taken at night and

2624
01:50:32,270 --> 01:50:30,330
you have to admit the come on Chris said

2625
01:50:33,020 --> 01:50:32,280
most people cannot take photographs in

2626
01:50:35,090 --> 01:50:33,030
the daytime

2627
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:35,100
never mind at night you have a couple of

2628
01:50:38,810 --> 01:50:36,690
objects hovering in the sky they're off

2629
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:38,820
in the distance maybe they're blinking

2630
01:50:43,940 --> 01:50:42,090
you know a yellow orange green light on

2631
01:50:46,700 --> 01:50:43,950
the aim your camera and pointed in the

2632
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,710
direction and get the objects you can

2633
01:50:51,710 --> 01:50:48,960
earn tiny pinpoints of you know right

2634
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:51,720
the actual number of objects coming that

2635
01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:53,610
close I don't think is really actually

2636
01:50:58,820 --> 01:50:56,520
very we're getting a lot more videos of

2637
01:51:02,120 --> 01:50:58,830
objects even item additions another

2638
01:51:04,610 --> 01:51:02,130
treetop level some of them seeing that I

2639
01:51:07,250 --> 01:51:04,620
don't carry convincing but again your

2640
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:07,260
photos and gems or in the eyes we hi

2641
01:51:12,170 --> 01:51:09,360
there and I think away this kind of

2642
01:51:14,090 --> 01:51:12,180
comes back to you dead you know George

2643
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:14,100
Adamski probably the most famous of all

2644
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:16,890
of your contact these you're dead

2645
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:19,770
claiming the course that is alleged s

2646
01:51:23,210 --> 01:51:21,690
keys the story for the most part is

2647
01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:23,220
pretty much a heart should you live to

2648
01:51:29,420 --> 01:51:27,780
be a hoax because long before the first

2649
01:51:31,490 --> 01:51:29,430
book was published apparently your dad

2650
01:51:32,900 --> 01:51:31,500
was presented with a manuscript and I

2651
01:51:35,330 --> 01:51:32,910
believe he said he was matter to the

2652
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:35,340
quality of what you would want to trench

2653
01:51:41,420 --> 01:51:37,410
so he never ever published it but he

2654
01:51:42,710 --> 01:51:41,430
where the gas display before yes I

2655
01:51:46,040 --> 01:51:42,720
remember that story that's not done on

2656
01:51:48,380 --> 01:51:46,050
the channel ready to broadcast to that

2657
01:51:50,300 --> 01:51:48,390
tape you have now it wasn't this a book

2658
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:50,310
that he self-published several years

2659
01:52:03,860 --> 01:51:56,010
before the flying saucers of landed some

2660
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:03,870
space being sort of Jesus and I don't

2661
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:05,850
know what part of the book it's kind of

2662
01:52:09,770 --> 01:52:07,770
hard and difficult to get through it

2663
01:52:12,380 --> 01:52:09,780
it's available on Kindle and on Amazon

2664
01:52:12,770 --> 01:52:12,390
of course how do you get through I don't

2665
01:52:15,470 --> 01:52:12,780
see

2666
01:52:17,899 --> 01:52:15,480
that many similarities now if you go

2667
01:52:21,260 --> 01:52:17,909
back and read the history of identity

2668
01:52:22,839 --> 01:52:21,270
you'll find that even in the 1930s she

2669
01:52:25,490 --> 01:52:22,849
was very much into the tiled

2670
01:52:28,250 --> 01:52:25,500
metaphysical phenomena thing that I was

2671
01:52:31,459 --> 01:52:28,260
her kind of New Age movement in fact he

2672
01:52:33,049 --> 01:52:31,469
claimed as I you even gone and travel

2673
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:33,059
through Tibet which we know is just

2674
01:52:40,510 --> 01:52:36,449
nonsense didn't happen but he had a set

2675
01:52:44,750 --> 01:52:40,520
up a colony or commune in the mid-1930s

2676
01:52:47,299 --> 01:52:44,760
in California they even built Elizabeth

2677
01:52:50,959 --> 01:52:47,309
I was building or had constructed a

2678
01:52:52,580 --> 01:52:50,969
pyramid the people moved into this you

2679
01:52:54,770 --> 01:52:52,590
know community who were kind of New Age

2680
01:52:58,939 --> 01:52:54,780
you're believers and I know this to be a

2681
01:53:03,770 --> 01:52:58,949
fact because we actually printed one of

2682
01:53:07,580 --> 01:53:03,780
the articles from 1935 and 1936 issue of

2683
01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:07,590
the Los Angeles Times so identity was in

2684
01:53:11,839 --> 01:53:09,710
to the tenets of physical movement and

2685
01:53:14,180 --> 01:53:11,849
according to some that was actually

2686
01:53:16,939 --> 01:53:14,190
through the Ouija board and especially

2687
01:53:24,350 --> 01:53:16,949
to Inchon Williamson that advanced key

2688
01:53:25,850 --> 01:53:24,360
made his the first contact with cut off

2689
01:53:28,580 --> 01:53:25,860
in the air he was involved in this

2690
01:53:31,189 --> 01:53:28,590
subject for a long long time which a lot

2691
01:53:34,729 --> 01:53:31,199
of his father sailors whose they would

2692
01:53:37,850 --> 01:53:34,739
rather not have acknowledged so he

2693
01:53:41,299 --> 01:53:37,860
didn't possibly did get this rather

2694
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:41,309
amateurish written manuscript which

2695
01:53:46,279 --> 01:53:44,130
became pioneers of space but later on it

2696
01:53:48,740 --> 01:53:46,289
was even doctored where he really did

2697
01:53:50,569 --> 01:53:48,750
have an experience with some beings from

2698
01:53:53,689 --> 01:53:50,579
somewhere else back in the year I don't

2699
01:53:55,339 --> 01:53:53,699
know I kind of sit on the fence as far

2700
01:53:57,260 --> 01:53:55,349
as if they asked you guys and I don't

2701
01:53:59,390 --> 01:53:57,270
gene there's probably a hardcore

2702
01:54:01,609 --> 01:53:59,400
non-believer and Jim knows we are mutual

2703
01:54:04,189 --> 01:54:01,619
friend who just passed and I did publish

2704
01:54:06,260 --> 01:54:04,199
and advance the expose additional so she

2705
01:54:08,510 --> 01:54:06,270
knows and one of the things in that

2706
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:08,520
issue which was very important was that

2707
01:54:12,859 --> 01:54:11,010
Adamski was quoted by someone as saying

2708
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:12,869
sometimes you have to get through the

2709
01:54:17,330 --> 01:54:15,570
back door to tell the truth which was

2710
01:54:20,540 --> 01:54:17,340
kind of implying here that his

2711
01:54:22,669 --> 01:54:20,550
experiences were basically not to be

2712
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:22,679
taken literally but as vehicles to

2713
01:54:27,620 --> 01:54:25,679
express his worldview want to ask you

2714
01:54:30,650 --> 01:54:27,630
another

2715
01:54:32,940 --> 01:54:30,660
yet on the other hand and we we

2716
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:32,950
dissident pioneers of space our Edition

2717
01:54:38,460 --> 01:54:35,770
is right back around 1948 fate magazine

2718
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:38,470
published an article by the empty in

2719
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:39,850
which he had actually photographed

2720
01:54:43,050 --> 01:54:41,050
through his telescope

2721
01:54:45,120 --> 01:54:43,060
objects passing over the face of the

2722
01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:45,130
Moon and there were like 30 witnesses

2723
01:54:49,050 --> 01:54:46,570
that living than this happened and

2724
01:54:52,050 --> 01:54:49,060
there's a big flop going on that in that

2725
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:52,060
part of California San Diego during that

2726
01:54:55,980 --> 01:54:54,610
period and I believe those photos and

2727
01:54:59,580 --> 01:54:55,990
the could've just being off better than

2728
01:55:01,920 --> 01:54:59,590
some of the one I'll go back to you Ray

2729
01:55:04,710 --> 01:55:01,930
Palmer when I interviewed your dad and

2730
01:55:08,100 --> 01:55:04,720
of course over the years he talked about

2731
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:08,110
something about UFOs called a fact a

2732
01:55:13,500 --> 01:55:10,330
piece of information that allowed him to

2733
01:55:15,630 --> 01:55:13,510
evaluate a claim about UFOs to determine

2734
01:55:17,640 --> 01:55:15,640
whether it was true or false now

2735
01:55:19,710 --> 01:55:17,650
supposedly in the latter years and some

2736
01:55:22,140 --> 01:55:19,720
of his latter publications he began to

2737
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:22,150
explain what this fact is but I don't

2738
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:23,890
think he ever finished you know you

2739
01:55:30,810 --> 01:55:27,280
didn't do it me either okay so your dad

2740
01:55:33,120 --> 01:55:30,820
talked to you about this fact not no not

2741
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:33,130
really just what I've read on that no

2742
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:36,250
okay so you know nothing more than what

2743
01:55:43,650 --> 01:55:40,330
you've read no so unfortunately whatever

2744
01:55:48,150 --> 01:55:43,660
it was had died with him oh yes and he

2745
01:55:49,530 --> 01:55:48,160
died so early so and he was that they

2746
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:49,540
wanted to sell the business and he want

2747
01:55:54,180 --> 01:55:52,090
to get into writing solely writing and

2748
01:55:56,610 --> 01:55:54,190
unfortunately running business took a

2749
01:55:59,520 --> 01:55:56,620
lot of his time if my dad and I lived

2750
01:56:01,260 --> 01:55:59,530
and now now with the internet the

2751
01:56:03,060 --> 01:56:01,270
internet would be his primary medium

2752
01:56:05,070 --> 01:56:03,070
there he wouldn't have to worry about

2753
01:56:06,660 --> 01:56:05,080
running a business that way with hire

2754
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:06,670
employees and everything else that comes

2755
01:56:11,010 --> 01:56:09,520
the trouble with running a business so

2756
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:11,020
yes he was a little before his time as

2757
01:56:16,410 --> 01:56:13,210
far as being able to write the way he

2758
01:56:20,010 --> 01:56:16,420
want to do so yes there's a lot that he

2759
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:20,020
didn't haven't written now he died in

2760
01:56:28,350 --> 01:56:24,370
August of 1977 it says here just after

2761
01:56:31,620 --> 01:56:28,360
his 67th birthday he was editor of

2762
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:31,630
amazing stories from 1938 through 1949

2763
01:56:38,040 --> 01:56:33,490
and I guess that was very much the

2764
01:56:40,270 --> 01:56:38,050
heyday of Pulp science fiction yes my

2765
01:56:43,490 --> 01:56:40,280
bleak well yes

2766
01:56:45,649 --> 01:56:43,500
now certainly has certainly enjoyed that

2767
01:56:47,149 --> 01:56:45,659
time it looked like - and everybody I've

2768
01:56:50,270 --> 01:56:47,159
talked that ever worked to him enjoyed

2769
01:56:51,770 --> 01:56:50,280
working with him I said I loved it

2770
01:56:55,490 --> 01:56:51,780
that's the best time of their life they

2771
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,500
ran and of course the secret identity of

2772
01:57:01,550 --> 01:56:57,840
the DC Comics character Adam

2773
01:57:02,959 --> 01:57:01,560
his name was Palmer yeah I don't I know

2774
01:57:04,609 --> 01:57:02,969
nothing about today I've heard the

2775
01:57:06,010 --> 01:57:04,619
rumors like that but I haven't there's

2776
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:06,020
nothing I can back you meant here that

2777
01:57:10,609 --> 01:57:08,250
well you know that was what was in the

2778
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:10,619
comic book but you wouldn't know whether

2779
01:57:16,729 --> 01:57:12,960
that was because of your father's

2780
01:57:18,500 --> 01:57:16,739
influence no I wouldn't know okay we

2781
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:18,510
have Raymond B Palmer son of Raymond a

2782
01:57:23,629 --> 01:57:21,119
Palmer the pioneers scientist and writer

2783
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:23,639
editor UFO investigator so many

2784
01:57:27,919 --> 01:57:25,530
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2785
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:27,929
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2786
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2787
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2788
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2789
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2790
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2791
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2792
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2802
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2803
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2804
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2805
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2806
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2807
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2808
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2810
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costs to buy some nice fashionable jeans

2811
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$300 and yet not one person in a hundred

2812
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:01,590
realizes these prices reflect government

2813
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:03,450
spending and Federal Reserve Bank dollar

2814
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2815
01:59:10,130 --> 01:59:07,890
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2816
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2817
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2848
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2849
02:00:50,750 --> 02:00:48,480
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2850
02:00:52,820 --> 02:00:50,760
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2851
02:00:54,919 --> 02:00:52,830
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2852
02:00:57,500 --> 02:00:54,929
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2853
02:00:58,220 --> 02:00:57,510
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2854
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2855
02:01:03,200 --> 02:01:00,449
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2856
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:03,210
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2857
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2858
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2860
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2861
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2862
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2863
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2864
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2870
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2871
02:01:43,180 --> 02:01:40,210
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2872
02:01:45,189 --> 02:01:43,190
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2873
02:01:49,180 --> 02:01:45,199
comment or question about the para cast

2874
02:01:52,540 --> 02:01:49,190
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2875
02:01:54,580 --> 02:01:52,550
that's news at the para cast calm and

2876
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:54,590
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2877
02:02:02,439 --> 02:01:57,770
cast community forums at forum dot the

2878
02:02:05,799 --> 02:02:02,449
para cast calm I want to go back to the

2879
02:02:07,959 --> 02:02:05,809
OSP book folks and maybe we can talk

2880
02:02:11,229 --> 02:02:07,969
more about its perspective here with

2881
02:02:13,689 --> 02:02:11,239
Raymond Palmer and Tim Beckley either if

2882
02:02:17,379 --> 02:02:13,699
you can answer this here we still see

2883
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:17,389
references to a las p is that a religion

2884
02:02:33,030 --> 02:02:26,530
a movement what was it or is it religion

2885
02:02:39,879 --> 02:02:36,910
they don't call them churches or temples

2886
02:02:45,160 --> 02:02:39,889
or anything like that as i understand

2887
02:02:46,810 --> 02:02:45,170
that it's more of a discussion and

2888
02:02:48,910 --> 02:02:46,820
you're welcome to believe what you want

2889
02:02:49,240 --> 02:02:48,920
and this believe what you don't wanna

2890
02:02:53,470 --> 02:02:49,250
believe

2891
02:02:56,399 --> 02:02:53,480
so it's not a rigid religion is such you

2892
02:03:01,359 --> 02:02:56,409
can belong to one of these groups and

2893
02:03:03,339 --> 02:03:01,369
also be a member of another faith they

2894
02:03:06,450 --> 02:03:03,349
still exist today they are still very

2895
02:03:09,189 --> 02:03:06,460
active and they have this very cosmic

2896
02:03:11,160 --> 02:03:09,199
philosophy and the books are readily

2897
02:03:13,479 --> 02:03:11,170
available there are several different

2898
02:03:16,240 --> 02:03:13,489
editions i certainly is not the only one

2899
02:03:17,410 --> 02:03:16,250
leaving them dad you did was there

2900
02:03:19,569 --> 02:03:17,420
putting it out there were so I think

2901
02:03:21,010 --> 02:03:19,579
wing to Anderson had originally

2902
02:03:25,660 --> 02:03:21,020
published in addition the flip going

2903
02:03:27,729 --> 02:03:25,670
back to like 1938 so active today but I

2904
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:27,739
wouldn't call it a religion there is

2905
02:03:34,810 --> 02:03:31,730
such and they do have several you know

2906
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:34,820
and they didn't uh face yahoogroups for

2907
02:03:39,490 --> 02:03:36,770
discussion in fact I am a member of one

2908
02:03:43,390 --> 02:03:39,500
of them and I did ask about the last

2909
02:03:48,459 --> 02:03:43,400
week group the shaver industry at Bishop

2910
02:03:49,899 --> 02:03:48,469
Toronto every question for a and we did

2911
02:03:52,030 --> 02:03:49,909
several quite a few of them today

2912
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:52,040
somebody I did I think there's Richard

2913
02:03:55,780 --> 02:03:53,450
you wanted an hour

2914
02:03:58,630 --> 02:03:55,790
so has that it's a medal from Maury

2915
02:04:01,480 --> 02:03:58,640
island that we're trying to auction off

2916
02:04:03,250 --> 02:04:01,490
on eBay and if there was any other kind

2917
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:03,260
of one never be on you but you still

2918
02:04:14,350 --> 02:04:09,410
have them that would be hardcore

2919
02:04:16,180 --> 02:04:14,360
evidence anything yes it's for what I

2920
02:04:18,700 --> 02:04:16,190
think I think I mean that's it it helps

2921
02:04:20,160 --> 02:04:18,710
answer questions so why thinks why some

2922
02:04:22,360 --> 02:04:20,170
things happen where you can explain it

2923
02:04:26,050 --> 02:04:22,370
so that implies that yes we are

2924
02:04:28,060 --> 02:04:26,060
influenced and the lawyer I say the

2925
02:04:29,590 --> 02:04:28,070
lower spirits do not leave earth that

2926
02:04:31,420 --> 02:04:29,600
far because they don't they don't

2927
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:31,430
believe they're dead and they can

2928
02:04:37,210 --> 02:04:34,010
influence us so basically when you die

2929
02:04:39,250 --> 02:04:37,220
you become first a lower spirit or is

2930
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:39,260
that a transition that you fail your

2931
02:04:44,530 --> 02:04:41,840
transition to what you what you continue

2932
02:04:46,810 --> 02:04:44,540
on as you are whatever essence what is

2933
02:04:48,670 --> 02:04:46,820
your your being I mean I've talked to

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people that are one that he's called

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himself an agnostic but he didn't

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02:04:54,130 --> 02:04:51,740
believe in God or anything like that but

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then we also talk well and Cory's

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physics energy cannot be destroyed so

2939
02:05:00,160 --> 02:04:58,820
again he says well he doesn't believe me

2940
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not anything but he says well the energy

2941
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of what we honor is not destroyed so

2942
02:05:06,850 --> 02:05:05,660
maybe we do go on so there's a lots of

2943
02:05:10,540 --> 02:05:06,860
different theories that way but again

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the waspy says that again the ones what

2945
02:05:13,810 --> 02:05:11,780
they call the evil people are something

2946
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:13,820
that when they die they don't get very

2947
02:05:17,350 --> 02:05:15,530
far from the earth to that that's all

2948
02:05:20,350 --> 02:05:17,360
they know they can't they don't have the

2949
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mind or the ability to reach to a higher

2950
02:05:25,810 --> 02:05:22,880
level so the Rafi says that as you grow

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you go to a higher level in heaven or

2952
02:05:30,460 --> 02:05:28,580
velocity it says a sinner a sinner

2953
02:05:32,980 --> 02:05:30,470
environment again I'm not really saying

2954
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:32,990
that property Tim might say it but that

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02:05:38,050 --> 02:05:34,960
mysterious divided into like plateaus

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and as you die you can exist on each

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plateau according to what your essence

2958
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:44,450
is I guess so the ones that are the

2959
02:05:48,900 --> 02:05:47,210
lower ones still think they have control

2960
02:05:50,980 --> 02:05:48,910
over other people and maybe they do

2961
02:05:52,450 --> 02:05:50,990
because you have to wonder why don't

2962
02:05:54,160 --> 02:05:52,460
people do something video are they pure

2963
02:05:54,490 --> 02:05:54,170
evil or they just influenced by pure

2964
02:05:57,400 --> 02:05:54,500
evil

2965
02:06:00,100 --> 02:05:57,410
of course as now we consider the

2966
02:06:02,410 --> 02:06:00,110
possibilities of new gun laws in order

2967
02:06:05,710 --> 02:06:02,420
to protect people from getting these

2968
02:06:08,110 --> 02:06:05,720
assault weapons if they're kind of wacky

2969
02:06:10,990 --> 02:06:08,120
this becomes a recurrence very topical

2970
02:06:13,090 --> 02:06:11,000
first yeah I got I'm not in favor of new

2971
02:06:14,730 --> 02:06:13,100
gun laws because I don't think that I'm

2972
02:06:17,050 --> 02:06:14,740
still thing people people kill people

2973
02:06:19,120 --> 02:06:17,060
don't just armed workers and doing it

2974
02:06:21,490 --> 02:06:19,130
you still have found a problem why

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02:06:22,600 --> 02:06:21,500
people want to kill people assuming then

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02:06:25,900 --> 02:06:22,610
that if they didn't have the assault

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02:06:27,310 --> 02:06:25,910
weapons and the 30 rounds they'd find a

2978
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:27,320
way to do it with some other kind of

2979
02:06:32,260 --> 02:06:29,690
weapon yeah that's all yes

2980
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no guns are very efficient for what

2981
02:06:35,710 --> 02:06:33,650
they're doing but they're committed

2982
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:35,720
they're a tool let's go back from the

2983
02:06:40,750 --> 02:06:38,960
poet's expect to Ray Palmer okay so we

2984
02:06:43,690 --> 02:06:40,760
will never understand what the fact was

2985
02:06:46,630 --> 02:06:43,700
but do you think the fact maybe Ray was

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02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:46,640
just something presented as a mechanism

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02:06:51,610 --> 02:06:49,520
or a gimmick to bring discussion about

2988
02:06:53,710 --> 02:06:51,620
and the reason I ask you that is I had a

2989
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couple conversations with Otto bender

2990
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years ago and he spoke very highly of

2991
02:07:01,570 --> 02:06:59,000
your dad but he said he was also the

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kind of person who would state an

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argument in his publications to get

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people writing letters yes I have a

2995
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little note I was gonna make today

2996
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that's you shouldn't say easily gimmick

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02:07:14,230 --> 02:07:12,050
but yes my dad was Artic write an

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article stating one point of view and

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one issue the next issue under a

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different name he would say well how

3001
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crazy was Ray Palmer this is my view

3002
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this is right so yes he would do that to

3003
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stimulate people to think and get a

3004
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publication I think is subscription-only

3005
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called that published form and which he

3006
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probably went into this in a lot more

3007
02:07:49,450 --> 02:07:47,810
detail I've exchanged ideas once a

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strange idea if you want a new ideas

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because his in his life he well along

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his younger years when he had his

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accident he was confined to the hospital

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Milwaukee for years now let's explain to

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people when he was what seven years old

3014
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he was hit by a truck a severe accident

3015
02:08:09,880 --> 02:08:06,530
that left him partly crippled yes

3016
02:08:11,860 --> 02:08:09,890
Annie he actually had a very first

3017
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spinal graft in the country which failed

3018
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and the next morning when they came in

3019
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he would double over and they asked yet

3020
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to cut cut his bones with a hacksaw

3021
02:08:22,060 --> 02:08:20,390
and painted with iodine because they

3022
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:22,070
thought he was going to die but then

3023
02:08:26,110 --> 02:08:24,410
after that he was confined to one of

3024
02:08:27,480 --> 02:08:26,120
these racks where they necklace pinion

3025
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every 20 minutes or something like that

3026
02:08:31,300 --> 02:08:29,660
for a long period of time and also a

3027
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long Korean time he was in the hospital

3028
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and as my mom said they would the nuns

3029
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would bring him like 18 books a day from

3030
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the library he need read that much every

3031
02:08:44,440 --> 02:08:42,380
day so he was a and he was at an age

3032
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where his mind could retain things so

3033
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that she said she probably thought he

3034
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probably read the whole Milwaukee

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library so he knew a lot of stuff so

3036
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when he talked to people and somebody

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could tell him something he already knew

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was this so it's kind of boring to him

3039
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so always he wanted new ideas and he

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wanted people to think because if you

3041
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just read somebody else's work you're no

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better than really a computer you may

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have knowledge and everything but you're

3044
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not thinking for yourself so that was

3045
02:09:13,090 --> 02:09:11,600
his main point in many of those articles

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to get people to think for themselves

3047
02:09:18,730 --> 02:09:17,630
and they have new ideas and also because

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he couldn't travel the world or anything

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else like that when something new come

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up or he would write about it and we'd

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get you get letter some people like he

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ends a hole in the pole theory he would

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get letters from airline pilots that

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flew over it he couldn't let her what

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are some submarine people now let's

3056
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explain this is fascinating and I hadn't

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brought up before and maybe we'll cover

3058
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this here and in the next segment we're

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talking about here the legend that

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Admiral Byrd's supposedly crossed into

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the whole the whole of the North and

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South Poles that lead you to the Inner

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Earth and this goes back to the legends

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going back many many years in fact Edgar

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Rice Burroughs wrote a series of novels

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called pellucid er which were based on

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the theory that there was a civilization

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under the earth that you can be reaching

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by the holes of the North and South Pole

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and there was a Great Central Sun

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instead of a molten core fascinating

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stuff again two more of this in a moment

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with Gene and Kris we were talking to

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Rabin be Palmer Tim Beck Lee you're in

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V Palmer and Tim Beck Lee so ray we're

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talking here about your dad's theory of

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the holes of the poles and the readers

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escaped it we kind of fly around it did

3197
02:15:22,359 --> 02:15:18,139
he seriously

3198
02:15:24,250 --> 02:15:22,369
well one way was one Marcus could be was

3199
02:15:25,779 --> 02:15:24,260
he was able to learn new things because

3200
02:15:27,669 --> 02:15:25,789
here you have people first and people

3201
02:15:29,409 --> 02:15:27,679
telling him things and if you ever

3202
02:15:31,540 --> 02:15:29,419
actually read didn't fall on the pole he

3203
02:15:33,009 --> 02:15:31,550
would he wouldn't make up things he

3204
02:15:34,810 --> 02:15:33,019
would just repeat what other people

3205
02:15:36,640 --> 02:15:34,820
would tell him and he as far as his

3206
02:15:38,620 --> 02:15:36,650
theory of the pole he said he didn't

3207
02:15:39,850 --> 02:15:38,630
really say there's a hole in the pole he

3208
02:15:42,699 --> 02:15:39,860
said well there's something strange

3209
02:15:44,140 --> 02:15:42,709
there going on up there and again by

3210
02:15:46,750 --> 02:15:44,150
having these people write in letter that

3211
02:15:48,609 --> 02:15:46,760
been there firsthand he was able to get

3212
02:15:51,069 --> 02:15:48,619
first in the comments of what was up

3213
02:15:53,549 --> 02:15:51,079
there and he learned a very a lot about

3214
02:15:55,839 --> 02:15:53,559
the certain parts of the world just by

3215
02:15:58,060 --> 02:15:55,849
writing these articles that may be a

3216
02:15:59,140 --> 02:15:58,070
little unusual sometimes he wasn't sure

3217
02:16:03,189 --> 02:15:59,150
what they were he says my wife's

3218
02:16:05,319 --> 02:16:03,199
whatever reporter at times or he's as it

3219
02:16:07,029 --> 02:16:05,329
has shaver eyes you said that advanced

3220
02:16:09,100 --> 02:16:07,039
mine always surprised to find out how

3221
02:16:11,500 --> 02:16:09,110
something is true so if somebody says

3222
02:16:13,089 --> 02:16:11,510
there's something up there there but

3223
02:16:15,279 --> 02:16:13,099
they have to get many theories saying

3224
02:16:17,259 --> 02:16:15,289
well how could this be true and

3225
02:16:18,810 --> 02:16:17,269
sometimes truth can be unusual and

3226
02:16:22,390 --> 02:16:18,820
sometimes truth can be

3227
02:16:23,859 --> 02:16:22,400
usual but again when somebody says

3228
02:16:26,080 --> 02:16:23,869
something he doesn't call him a liar he

3229
02:16:28,359 --> 02:16:26,090
says okay well how can your statement me

3230
02:16:30,909 --> 02:16:28,369
true if you see a flying saucer well how

3231
02:16:32,939 --> 02:16:30,919
can be true what or what have you seen

3232
02:16:35,080 --> 02:16:32,949
so once if you approach it that way

3233
02:16:37,209 --> 02:16:35,090
you're actually learning something and

3234
02:16:40,059 --> 02:16:37,219
you might find out this flying saucer

3235
02:16:41,410 --> 02:16:40,069
this person saw was near plane but again

3236
02:16:43,780 --> 02:16:41,420
you want to find out how what they saw

3237
02:16:46,330 --> 02:16:43,790
is true so that was many of us writing

3238
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:46,340
it was like that can we say then that he

3239
02:16:48,250 --> 02:16:48,050
really didn't believe there was a Hollow

3240
02:16:50,620 --> 02:16:48,260
Earth

3241
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:50,630
well I think if you lead his last book

3242
02:16:55,629 --> 02:16:52,969
he said no he didn't he didn't think

3243
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:55,639
well I don't want to put words in his

3244
02:16:59,049 --> 02:16:57,529
mouth I just read it he said there's

3245
02:16:59,290 --> 02:16:59,059
something unusual going out there he

3246
02:17:00,730 --> 02:16:59,300
does

3247
02:17:03,580 --> 02:17:00,740
that actually believes there's something

3248
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,590
there listening but again deceive he

3249
02:17:07,419 --> 02:17:05,599
would try to if somebody said there's a

3250
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:07,429
Hollow Earth okay he would he would get

3251
02:17:10,990 --> 02:17:09,050
all the possibilities of how that could

3252
02:17:12,459 --> 02:17:11,000
be true it may be wrong and maybe you're

3253
02:17:14,139 --> 02:17:12,469
on but once he gets his possibilities

3254
02:17:17,379 --> 02:17:14,149
then other people can write in and say

3255
02:17:19,299 --> 02:17:17,389
okay I've been there you're just what

3256
02:17:21,849 --> 02:17:19,309
you're saying it doesn't isn't great so

3257
02:17:23,980 --> 02:17:21,859
then he can he can change it but again

3258
02:17:26,410 --> 02:17:23,990
it's not when people say something and

3259
02:17:28,780 --> 02:17:26,420
they're not lying they witness something

3260
02:17:31,089 --> 02:17:28,790
he tries to find out how what they say

3261
02:17:32,290 --> 02:17:31,099
is true so that's that's an interesting

3262
02:17:34,360 --> 02:17:32,300
way of going about things you learn a

3263
02:17:36,879 --> 02:17:34,370
lot of things and a lot of people see

3264
02:17:39,549 --> 02:17:36,889
things they misinterpret them yeah but

3265
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,559
at least you use a research project

3266
02:17:44,049 --> 02:17:41,120
basically fine on what they're seeing

3267
02:17:44,500 --> 02:17:44,059
and it's an interesting way to live your

3268
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,510
life

3269
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:46,880
well that subject is still in an

3270
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:49,519
enduring mystery because we have

3271
02:17:55,389 --> 02:17:52,160
currently Brooks Agnew is claiming to

3272
02:17:57,849 --> 02:17:55,399
have a expedition set up they're just

3273
02:17:59,169 --> 02:17:57,859
trying to finalize the media company

3274
02:18:01,089 --> 02:17:59,179
it's going to be documenting this but

3275
02:18:03,750 --> 02:18:01,099
they're going to be traveling up to to

3276
02:18:06,370 --> 02:18:03,760
the areas around the North Pole

3277
02:18:09,730 --> 02:18:06,380
presumably looking for the entrance to

3278
02:18:11,469 --> 02:18:09,740
the Hollow Earth which it just it's kind

3279
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:11,479
of a testament to the to the enduring

3280
02:18:15,849 --> 02:18:13,519
you know sense and quality of that

3281
02:18:18,459 --> 02:18:15,859
particular mystery it it it still has

3282
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:18,469
low quite a big following there's a lot

3283
02:18:23,620 --> 02:18:21,439
of people out there that that do sense

3284
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:23,630
or have in their own minds evidence to

3285
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:25,370
suggest that we do have something going

3286
02:18:29,919 --> 02:18:27,439
on underneath our feet and there may be

3287
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:29,929
entrances at the polls it's not going

3288
02:18:33,280 --> 02:18:30,800
away anytime soon

3289
02:18:34,570 --> 02:18:33,290
and many times likely somebody would

3290
02:18:35,919 --> 02:18:34,580
come by that's impossible there's holes

3291
02:18:37,870 --> 02:18:35,929
in the polls and they give their reasons

3292
02:18:40,480 --> 02:18:37,880
and my dad would shoot down their

3293
02:18:41,860 --> 02:18:40,490
reasons because you just can't believe

3294
02:18:46,570 --> 02:18:41,870
somebody on there were together too so

3295
02:18:48,429 --> 02:18:46,580
he finds and he actually published the

3296
02:18:51,820 --> 02:18:48,439
photographs taken by masses all right

3297
02:18:55,480 --> 02:18:51,830
that they showed the planet Earth to be

3298
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:55,490
a giant black hole or something in the

3299
02:18:59,980 --> 02:18:57,290
center they out there and of course many

3300
02:19:03,250 --> 02:18:59,990
many seafarers including the Admiral

3301
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:03,260
Byrd who said in the direction of one of

3302
02:19:07,000 --> 02:19:05,210
the town's that instead of getting

3303
02:19:09,580 --> 02:19:07,010
colder the ice broke after they stopped

3304
02:19:12,760 --> 02:19:09,590
where it's getting warmer and they even

3305
02:19:20,291 --> 02:19:17,800
the fossils and an avocado animal for

3306
02:19:23,590 --> 02:19:20,301
life forms and even flowers floating on

3307
02:19:25,121 --> 02:19:23,600
the on the water so there is a there is

3308
02:19:27,880 --> 02:19:25,131
actually a lot of interest in there and

3309
02:19:30,730 --> 02:19:27,890
the Americana Hollywood in fact I would

3310
02:19:32,530 --> 02:19:30,740
say the public is more fascinated with

3311
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:32,540
concepts of involving the Hollow Earth

3312
02:19:37,541 --> 02:19:35,120
of the universe but they are with flying

3313
02:19:39,880 --> 02:19:37,551
saucers possibly coming from outer space

3314
02:19:42,460 --> 02:19:39,890
because almost all the mail that we get

3315
02:19:47,621 --> 02:19:42,470
and orders for our books and all are

3316
02:19:50,291 --> 02:19:47,631
centered on these that might be from the

3317
02:19:53,140 --> 02:19:50,301
mother solar system that is fascinating

3318
02:19:55,570 --> 02:19:53,150
because that's the thing that exists in

3319
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:55,580
one kind of subculture but we don't get

3320
02:19:59,761 --> 02:19:57,200
it in the general public

3321
02:20:01,600 --> 02:19:59,771
let me ask another question here ray

3322
02:20:03,461 --> 02:20:01,610
about your father

3323
02:20:06,131 --> 02:20:03,471
one of the things he wrote was that

3324
02:20:10,690 --> 02:20:06,141
flying saucers are here to make us think

3325
02:20:13,780 --> 02:20:10,700
oh yeah you've heard that one and he's

3326
02:20:14,171 --> 02:20:13,790
used that too okay what do you mean by

3327
02:20:16,150 --> 02:20:14,181
that

3328
02:20:19,690 --> 02:20:16,160
well you don't you can't go to the book

3329
02:20:22,180 --> 02:20:19,700
and read what a flying saucer is so you

3330
02:20:23,980 --> 02:20:22,190
have to think for yourself again you're

3331
02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:23,990
looking many halls publications the

3332
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:25,490
theme everything he wants people to

3333
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:27,650
think for themselves so they can the

3334
02:20:31,570 --> 02:20:29,120
people that just recite some books

3335
02:20:35,831 --> 02:20:31,580
they're using other people's words and

3336
02:20:38,711 --> 02:20:35,841
also whatever is known is the past and

3337
02:20:40,360 --> 02:20:38,721
your future is unknown for you to live

3338
02:20:41,501 --> 02:20:40,370
your future you have to think for

3339
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:41,511
yourself otherwise you're living

3340
02:20:44,501 --> 02:20:42,650
somebody else's life if you're just

3341
02:20:46,751 --> 02:20:44,511
following other people's thoughts so he

3342
02:20:48,761 --> 02:20:46,761
wanted people to think themselves again

3343
02:20:51,161 --> 02:20:48,771
going back to his background where he

3344
02:20:52,930 --> 02:20:51,171
read so much he knew so much when he

3345
02:20:55,661 --> 02:20:52,940
talked to people he didn't want to

3346
02:20:58,091 --> 02:20:55,671
listen to what he already knew he won

3347
02:21:01,991 --> 02:20:58,101
the future was unknown and there's two

3348
02:21:05,381 --> 02:21:02,001
so he wanted something new so very much

3349
02:21:07,661 --> 02:21:05,391
here when he said that he wanted you the

3350
02:21:10,541 --> 02:21:07,671
people who read his books and magazines

3351
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:10,551
to think about what UFOs are not assumed

3352
02:21:14,980 --> 02:21:12,530
conventional wisdom conventional wisdom

3353
02:21:16,661 --> 02:21:14,990
being that they're et this is one of the

3354
02:21:18,551 --> 02:21:16,671
things that I've been arguing about for

3355
02:21:20,711 --> 02:21:18,561
a number of years and other people argue

3356
02:21:23,411 --> 02:21:20,721
about on the power cast which is don't

3357
02:21:24,780 --> 02:21:23,421
accept anything about these strange

3358
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:24,790
mysteries as

3359
02:21:29,570 --> 02:21:26,650
accepted fact yet because we're still

3360
02:21:32,011 --> 02:21:29,580
dealing with the unknown that's correct

3361
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:32,021
but it's unknown but again people don't

3362
02:21:38,280 --> 02:21:35,290
want on the limb and again it it's a it

3363
02:21:40,770 --> 02:21:38,290
depends on funding - I mean if you get

3364
02:21:42,210 --> 02:21:40,780
funding you're you you have to get every

3365
02:21:43,500 --> 02:21:42,220
search on Flying Saucer but who's going

3366
02:21:46,261 --> 02:21:43,510
to give you the money on a lot of money

3367
02:21:48,990 --> 02:21:46,271
on that and a lot of times there's more

3368
02:21:55,230 --> 02:21:49,000
funding trying to debunk saucers the

3369
02:21:59,460 --> 02:21:55,240
saucers or anything else then there is a

3370
02:22:01,620 --> 02:21:59,470
physicist he's writing a book and he was

3371
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:01,630
he wanted likeness the material for me

3372
02:22:06,060 --> 02:22:04,240
but he he said he could care less what

3373
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:06,070
the flying saucers or where they were

3374
02:22:08,970 --> 02:22:07,210
for all the space where they are

3375
02:22:11,580 --> 02:22:08,980
military hitting else he was just

3376
02:22:14,670 --> 02:22:11,590
writing on a certain subject because

3377
02:22:16,050 --> 02:22:14,680
that's what this funding was for but

3378
02:22:17,970 --> 02:22:16,060
here he's writing about flying saucers

3379
02:22:22,470 --> 02:22:17,980
but he could care less what they really

3380
02:22:25,410 --> 02:22:22,480
are so that those twist what's fine fine

3381
02:22:27,480 --> 02:22:25,420
just people see them and like that say

3382
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:27,490
people see them well try and find out

3383
02:22:32,280 --> 02:22:30,010
what they what they see what what is the

3384
02:22:34,170 --> 02:22:32,290
truth well of course the argument here

3385
02:22:36,660 --> 02:22:34,180
is about scientific research there are a

3386
02:22:38,910 --> 02:22:36,670
lot of is done not because a scientist

3387
02:22:41,610 --> 02:22:38,920
believes in a possibility of something

3388
02:22:43,590 --> 02:22:41,620
but hey how can I get a grant how can I

3389
02:22:46,500 --> 02:22:43,600
make a living what line of research

3390
02:22:48,570 --> 02:22:46,510
should I pursue mm-hmm which is

3391
02:22:52,200 --> 02:22:48,580
unfortunate really is because I think

3392
02:22:54,570 --> 02:22:52,210
that crimps our style it severely

3393
02:22:57,180 --> 02:22:54,580
prevents research and certainly when

3394
02:23:00,420 --> 02:22:57,190
you're into something like UFOs or any

3395
02:23:01,800 --> 02:23:00,430
paranormal event how the heck do you get

3396
02:23:05,280 --> 02:23:01,810
funding for that that's pretty difficult

3397
02:23:07,650 --> 02:23:05,290
it's very rare I do notice on some of

3398
02:23:09,930 --> 02:23:07,660
them TV shows maybe it's an

3399
02:23:11,850 --> 02:23:09,940
international which one it is but they

3400
02:23:14,970 --> 02:23:11,860
go to many sites they in the tourists

3401
02:23:18,930 --> 02:23:14,980
never see my and following their flying

3402
02:23:20,190 --> 02:23:18,940
saucer quest and I sure wish I had the

3403
02:23:26,250 --> 02:23:20,200
money to goggle site because they sure

3404
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:26,260
look interesting he said he's had two of

3405
02:23:31,080 --> 02:23:28,090
them he didn't go on look at him agony

3406
02:23:33,450 --> 02:23:31,090
to see which ones they were but I can't

3407
02:23:35,370 --> 02:23:33,460
off and say which what what they were

3408
02:23:37,770 --> 02:23:35,380
specifically but yes he said he's had

3409
02:23:40,110 --> 02:23:37,780
trouble fighting by the way I should

3410
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:40,120
mentioned to our listeners over the

3411
02:23:45,480 --> 02:23:42,880
years of this show since 2006 I've said

3412
02:23:47,640 --> 02:23:45,490
I never saw a UFO and then I looked into

3413
02:23:49,801 --> 02:23:47,650
the old issues of my magazine that I

3414
02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:49,811
published back in the 60s and 70s and

3415
02:23:55,591 --> 02:23:53,370
80s and guess what yes I did see a UFO

3416
02:23:57,060 --> 02:23:55,601
kind of a light in the sky that just

3417
02:23:59,461 --> 02:23:57,070
suddenly soared away

3418
02:24:01,890 --> 02:23:59,471
you know a common UFO case common

3419
02:24:03,961 --> 02:24:01,900
sighting not much detail didn't last

3420
02:24:05,850 --> 02:24:03,971
very long so there you go that's all I

3421
02:24:07,860 --> 02:24:05,860
know about it all right Raymond my

3422
02:24:09,301 --> 02:24:07,870
definition I have a definition

3423
02:24:12,390 --> 02:24:09,311
people talk about UFOs and flying

3424
02:24:13,980 --> 02:24:12,400
saucers I'd say well let's do the break

3425
02:24:16,381 --> 02:24:13,990
then we'll talk about your definition

3426
02:24:18,270 --> 02:24:16,391
okay Raymond B Palmer joining us with

3427
02:24:20,750 --> 02:24:18,280
Tim Beckley and Gina and Chris you're in

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3486
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3491
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of a per key light the burka guy is also

3500
02:27:25,240 --> 02:27:21,859
offering a set of fluoride and arsenic

3501
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3502
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3503
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3504
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3505
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3528
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parrot jar so response to my report that

3529
02:28:53,920 --> 02:28:50,150
yes I saw something it could have been a

3530
02:28:56,470 --> 02:28:53,930
UFO many many many many many years ago

3531
02:28:59,860 --> 02:28:56,480
Ray Palmer joining me with Tim Beckley

3532
02:29:03,370 --> 02:28:59,870
on the para cast had a comment to make

3533
02:29:05,500 --> 02:29:03,380
about that ray ok UFOs are such a

3534
02:29:08,381 --> 02:29:05,510
generic term that almost anything can be

3535
02:29:10,270 --> 02:29:08,391
a UFO so if you're talking truly flying

3536
02:29:12,940 --> 02:29:10,280
sauce is my definition fly sauce

3537
02:29:15,370 --> 02:29:12,950
yes metallic gets close enough where you

3538
02:29:18,400 --> 02:29:15,380
have a you can see it clearly enough

3539
02:29:20,740 --> 02:29:18,410
that you can actually get a very good

3540
02:29:23,740 --> 02:29:20,750
description of it and also it goes very

3541
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:23,750
fast so you can't mistake it for many

3542
02:29:28,900 --> 02:29:27,290
other things so I like our sort of limit

3543
02:29:31,511 --> 02:29:28,910
might when people talk about flying

3544
02:29:34,990 --> 02:29:31,521
saucer un Sol I always ask well how

3545
02:29:37,780 --> 02:29:35,000
clearly have you seen it so a UFO I mean

3546
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:37,790
there's so many mistaken identifications

3547
02:29:42,820 --> 02:29:40,370
of UFOs most of our planes or anything

3548
02:29:44,170 --> 02:29:42,830
else one time I saw a green fireball I

3549
02:29:45,640 --> 02:29:44,180
never know what they were before I

3550
02:29:47,591 --> 02:29:45,650
thought boy this could be something but

3551
02:29:49,631 --> 02:29:47,601
I looked on the final screen fireballs

3552
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:49,641
are fairly common but again that's a UFO

3553
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:50,960
when I see it but I don't know what it

3554
02:29:56,140 --> 02:29:53,210
really is but a flying saucer has to be

3555
02:29:58,390 --> 02:29:56,150
something really that you can almost

3556
02:29:59,131 --> 02:29:58,400
grab onto and then you can say it's a

3557
02:30:01,600 --> 02:29:59,141
flying saucer

3558
02:30:04,750 --> 02:30:01,610
so most vocal sightings are not what I

3559
02:30:06,220 --> 02:30:04,760
consider flying saucer sightings I think

3560
02:30:09,820 --> 02:30:06,230
most of them are what we call

3561
02:30:12,011 --> 02:30:09,830
conventional things yeah do you have any

3562
02:30:14,650 --> 02:30:12,021
personal belief as to what you think is

3563
02:30:19,900 --> 02:30:14,660
responsible for UFOs flying saucers

3564
02:30:22,390 --> 02:30:19,910
whatever oh I'm still in the stage where

3565
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:22,400
I need to find see more more information

3566
02:30:26,051 --> 02:30:24,650
I certainly think people out there are

3567
02:30:27,970 --> 02:30:26,061
seen some things now certain things that

3568
02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:27,980
we we don't know what they are for sure

3569
02:30:32,740 --> 02:30:30,290
yet but that doesn't mean flying saucers

3570
02:30:35,290 --> 02:30:32,750
are unknowable in some future date we

3571
02:30:39,820 --> 02:30:35,300
may find out what they are but to say

3572
02:30:41,620 --> 02:30:39,830
they don't exist or Olimar palmist uh I

3573
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:41,630
dedicate from Realty aircraft for

3574
02:30:43,960 --> 02:30:42,650
something I don't think that's true

3575
02:30:46,920 --> 02:30:43,970
either I think there's nothing we still

3576
02:30:49,810 --> 02:30:46,930
don't know and they're out there now

3577
02:30:52,091 --> 02:30:49,820
what are your plans with regard to your

3578
02:30:54,190 --> 02:30:52,101
dad's ma'am are you going to continue to

3579
02:30:56,140 --> 02:30:54,200
republish some of his material

3580
02:31:00,130 --> 02:30:56,150
hi I've been thinking now on the day of

3581
02:31:03,130 --> 02:31:00,140
age of internet and ebooks I think I

3582
02:31:05,770 --> 02:31:03,140
need to get into that as you say the

3583
02:31:08,410 --> 02:31:05,780
book publishing hardcover heart book

3584
02:31:09,940 --> 02:31:08,420
publishing is just becoming dying and as

3585
02:31:13,630 --> 02:31:09,950
I said my just would be the age my dad's

3586
02:31:14,860 --> 02:31:13,640
writings would flourish more I just wish

3587
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:14,870
he could have been here so he could have

3588
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:16,250
spent much time writing which is what he

3589
02:31:20,260 --> 02:31:18,560
really wanted to do rather than worrying

3590
02:31:22,300 --> 02:31:20,270
about the money end of it that's much of

3591
02:31:24,219 --> 02:31:22,310
the ad - he didn't want to be a printer

3592
02:31:26,320 --> 02:31:24,229
it didn't want to be the typesetter he

3593
02:31:27,700 --> 02:31:26,330
wanted to sit there and write stuff yep

3594
02:31:31,210 --> 02:31:27,710
but he had a family to raise and

3595
02:31:35,410 --> 02:31:31,220
everything else and employees to pay so

3596
02:31:38,050 --> 02:31:35,420
you have to work to make the money - so

3597
02:31:42,040 --> 02:31:38,060
does that mean we'll see Kindle versions

3598
02:31:44,170 --> 02:31:42,050
of some of Ray Palmer's stuff I think so

3599
02:31:45,940 --> 02:31:44,180
and Tim mentioned something Gmail today

3600
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:45,950
- that we need to get together because I

3601
02:31:50,980 --> 02:31:48,170
know I'm not sure again how to do and

3602
02:31:52,810 --> 02:31:50,990
everything and then there's a lot of

3603
02:31:54,610 --> 02:31:52,820
pickle thing that's just technical do

3604
02:31:55,810 --> 02:31:54,620
and then you want to write a book and

3605
02:31:57,160 --> 02:31:55,820
then you can put on the book you don't

3606
02:31:58,510 --> 02:31:57,170
have it protected then everybody copies

3607
02:31:59,640 --> 02:31:58,520
it and you sell one copy and there you

3608
02:32:01,840 --> 02:31:59,650
have it

3609
02:32:04,929 --> 02:32:01,850
well of course there are ways suppose

3610
02:32:06,880 --> 02:32:04,939
they protect electronic books but even

3611
02:32:07,810 --> 02:32:06,890
then you know there's always gonna be a

3612
02:32:10,179 --> 02:32:07,820
matter of trust

3613
02:32:14,650 --> 02:32:10,189
but right now are you primarily a

3614
02:32:16,120 --> 02:32:14,660
printer or what oh well yeah I guess you

3615
02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:16,130
could say primary central yes

3616
02:32:21,550 --> 02:32:18,080
but it's very very limited at the moment

3617
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:21,560
I still do some of my old books and I do

3618
02:32:27,550 --> 02:32:22,640
some commercial printing but not too

3619
02:32:32,260 --> 02:32:27,560
much so that's your day job you did

3620
02:32:37,870 --> 02:32:32,270
actually quite a few years ago yeah but

3621
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:37,880
they went out of business in the garage

3622
02:32:41,020 --> 02:32:38,930
or something

3623
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:41,030
you started the business and it grew and

3624
02:32:48,280 --> 02:32:45,200
it grew and that he published there you

3625
02:32:50,940 --> 02:32:48,290
publish a couple of books set for us

3626
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:50,950
when I just first got started in this

3627
02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:53,570
was publishing former people and I think

3628
02:32:58,780 --> 02:32:55,610
that I even have a tomorrow liver

3629
02:33:00,610 --> 02:32:58,790
cookbook or something here okay yep yeah

3630
02:33:01,900 --> 02:33:00,620
he did commercial printing and actually

3631
02:33:04,420 --> 02:33:01,910
going to back to Kirk fuller and their

3632
02:33:05,800 --> 02:33:04,430
relationship I believe in the sixties we

3633
02:33:06,439 --> 02:33:05,810
actually did commercial printing for

3634
02:33:08,750 --> 02:33:06,449
Curt too

3635
02:33:12,860 --> 02:33:08,760
so again we had a good relationship with

3636
02:33:15,290 --> 02:33:12,870
him okay it might have hurt head is what

3637
02:33:17,809 --> 02:33:15,300
all publishing and we did to look pretty

3638
02:33:20,599 --> 02:33:17,819
for him - just a question about

3639
02:33:23,389 --> 02:33:20,609
generations and spanning generations and

3640
02:33:25,040 --> 02:33:23,399
we see that Raymond Ray Palmer was the

3641
02:33:27,410 --> 02:33:25,050
writer Raymond V Palmer is the

3642
02:33:31,849 --> 02:33:27,420
production guy I mean the printing and

3643
02:33:35,240 --> 02:33:31,859
everything you have children no okay

3644
02:33:38,269 --> 02:33:35,250
almost married but not quite never

3645
02:33:40,639 --> 02:33:38,279
happened what about your sister well

3646
02:33:43,820 --> 02:33:40,649
they says if Jennifer and Linda right

3647
02:33:45,710 --> 02:33:43,830
ones and Florida ones in Colorado they

3648
02:33:48,889 --> 02:33:45,720
have kids oh yeah

3649
02:33:57,229 --> 02:33:48,899
all right kids interested did this jump

3650
02:33:58,219 --> 02:33:57,239
generations no no they're not they they

3651
02:33:59,599 --> 02:33:58,229
look them up with their interests and

3652
02:34:05,719 --> 02:33:59,609
what that did but no they're not the

3653
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:05,729
interesting person when you have it but

3654
02:34:10,550 --> 02:34:07,770
we have to definitely see if there's a

3655
02:34:13,429 --> 02:34:10,560
way possible to get this material back

3656
02:34:15,290 --> 02:34:13,439
in public and I would be interested

3657
02:34:18,679 --> 02:34:15,300
maybe personally and exploring the

3658
02:34:22,099 --> 02:34:18,689
possibilities if there is any way to

3659
02:34:24,830 --> 02:34:22,109
have a biography of Ray Palmer with

3660
02:34:25,910 --> 02:34:24,840
maybe some material about shaver and see

3661
02:34:27,979 --> 02:34:25,920
what kind of interests we have and I

3662
02:34:31,189 --> 02:34:27,989
guess a lot that depends on the reaction

3663
02:34:34,189 --> 02:34:31,199
to the show and frankly speaking I have

3664
02:34:36,439 --> 02:34:34,199
no idea sort of what I'd like to do I

3665
02:34:38,420 --> 02:34:36,449
mean again my dad and shaver are the

3666
02:34:39,679 --> 02:34:38,430
past and we sort of it's a research

3667
02:34:41,750 --> 02:34:39,689
project if somebody wants to get

3668
02:34:44,899 --> 02:34:41,760
together but I also wanted to put it in

3669
02:34:46,969 --> 02:34:44,909
a context where yes a stepping stone to

3670
02:34:50,179 --> 02:34:46,979
our futures - because they're what they

3671
02:34:53,479 --> 02:34:50,189
looked into and you've still not been

3672
02:34:55,849 --> 02:34:53,489
solved yet so there's still still more

3673
02:34:56,679 --> 02:34:55,859
interest to be had in this mr. Fillmore

3674
02:34:59,210 --> 02:34:56,689
Killearn

3675
02:35:00,590 --> 02:34:59,220
so if I am on time or in that contest

3676
02:35:03,110 --> 02:35:00,600
that context that yeah now you're not

3677
02:35:05,330 --> 02:35:03,120
just reading the past but there is a

3678
02:35:07,460 --> 02:35:05,340
future to this - yet where you can learn

3679
02:35:09,800 --> 02:35:07,470
something and one of the things I

3680
02:35:11,660 --> 02:35:09,810
noticed in looking at some of the things

3681
02:35:14,210 --> 02:35:11,670
that ray wrote back in the 50s and 60s

3682
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:14,220
about the lack of progress and UFO

3683
02:35:18,969 --> 02:35:16,800
research that hasn't changed

3684
02:35:20,889 --> 02:35:18,979
no I remember one

3685
02:35:22,899 --> 02:35:20,899
Oracle said well now the time we have

3686
02:35:25,599 --> 02:35:22,909
technology that we could ever do a

3687
02:35:27,370 --> 02:35:25,609
scientific research or UFOs and I would

3688
02:35:29,529 --> 02:35:27,380
say about maybe 10 years ago some

3689
02:35:31,029 --> 02:35:29,539
scientists was on the evening news 8

3690
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:31,039
well now we should do a scientific

3691
02:35:37,660 --> 02:35:34,399
research on UFOs I mean every 20 years

3692
02:35:39,370 --> 02:35:37,670
that seems to repeat itself in it it's

3693
02:35:41,319 --> 02:35:39,380
the same cycle over and over again and

3694
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:41,329
the other argument I make is if you look

3695
02:35:45,300 --> 02:35:42,770
and some of the things written about

3696
02:35:49,500 --> 02:35:45,310
what UFOs might be in the 1950s and

3697
02:35:51,969 --> 02:35:49,510
changed the date hmm it reads the same

3698
02:35:54,489 --> 02:35:51,979
but again I mean it reads the same but I

3699
02:35:56,769 --> 02:35:54,499
I can say I really think there's

3700
02:35:58,559 --> 02:35:56,779
something out there that's not indented

3701
02:36:00,969 --> 02:35:58,569
that could be still don't know about

3702
02:36:03,519 --> 02:36:00,979
there's still a mystery people are still

3703
02:36:05,529 --> 02:36:03,529
seeing UFOs we're still photographing

3704
02:36:08,139 --> 02:36:05,539
them strange things are still happening

3705
02:36:10,540 --> 02:36:08,149
and we have to wonder why certainly

3706
02:36:13,149 --> 02:36:10,550
Chris has been a field investigator for

3707
02:36:16,269 --> 02:36:13,159
a number of years and he's explored some

3708
02:36:21,279 --> 02:36:16,279
really extraordinary phenomena and where

3709
02:36:23,679 --> 02:36:21,289
does he get his funding well I think

3710
02:36:26,559 --> 02:36:23,689
it's fair to say that Chris and I are

3711
02:36:28,540 --> 02:36:26,569
both independently poor but that doesn't

3712
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:28,550
apply to every situation

3713
02:36:33,609 --> 02:36:31,130
Chris Lawrence Rockefeller funded me for

3714
02:36:36,010 --> 02:36:33,619
two years and spent my life savings

3715
02:36:37,929 --> 02:36:36,020
oh but again you're interested in what

3716
02:36:40,210 --> 02:36:37,939
you're doing with yeah it's a

3717
02:36:42,189 --> 02:36:40,220
fascination I never thought that I'd

3718
02:36:44,380 --> 02:36:42,199
ever figure anything out but I would

3719
02:36:46,569 --> 02:36:44,390
sure love to compile the kind of

3720
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:46,579
scientific data that would enable others

3721
02:36:52,750 --> 02:36:50,090
a little bit more talented and maybe

3722
02:36:54,099 --> 02:36:52,760
smarter than me to to do the analysis

3723
02:36:55,389 --> 02:36:54,109
and possibly come up with further

3724
02:36:57,790 --> 02:36:55,399
insights into what we're dealing with

3725
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:57,800
and any research that travels you

3726
02:37:00,670 --> 02:36:59,600
learned you learn a lot you meet a lot

3727
02:37:03,130 --> 02:37:00,680
of different people and it's an

3728
02:37:05,019 --> 02:37:03,140
interesting life yeah and it's you know

3729
02:37:07,479 --> 02:37:05,029
the networking part of it and in

3730
02:37:10,090 --> 02:37:07,489
training people to go out and properly

3731
02:37:11,529 --> 02:37:10,100
document and investigate out in the

3732
02:37:13,840 --> 02:37:11,539
field there's also something that I've

3733
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:13,850
really made a point of of doing people

3734
02:37:17,620 --> 02:37:15,920
have contacted me pretty regularly over

3735
02:37:20,469 --> 02:37:17,630
the years and how to get started and

3736
02:37:22,420 --> 02:37:20,479
maybe being a field investigator in

3737
02:37:25,090 --> 02:37:22,430
their own local area you know I'm always

3738
02:37:26,830 --> 02:37:25,100
I'm always open to help people get up to

3739
02:37:29,019 --> 02:37:26,840
speed and and do things as

3740
02:37:31,450 --> 02:37:29,029
scientifically as possible because

3741
02:37:32,769 --> 02:37:31,460
though quite frankly belief is one thing

3742
02:37:35,319 --> 02:37:32,779
scientific data you know

3743
02:37:37,510 --> 02:37:35,329
in repeating that the results I think is

3744
02:37:39,670 --> 02:37:37,520
the ultimate Grail that we're looking

3745
02:37:41,409 --> 02:37:39,680
towards by the way folks you can find

3746
02:37:43,659 --> 02:37:41,419
more information about what Chris is up

3747
02:37:46,929 --> 02:37:43,669
to his researches articles at our

3748
02:37:49,329 --> 02:37:46,939
strange planet calm our strange planet

3749
02:37:50,649 --> 02:37:49,339
calm he's now got set to take donations

3750
02:37:52,449 --> 02:37:50,659
if you want to help him with his work

3751
02:37:54,550 --> 02:37:52,459
but also we're still working on getting

3752
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:54,560
the webcam Ray Palmer do you have a

3753
02:38:00,539 --> 02:37:56,479
website or something we can check out oh

3754
02:38:05,079 --> 02:38:00,549
no that's my future plans too okay I

3755
02:38:08,199 --> 02:38:05,089
have a place we can contact you at of

3756
02:38:11,769 --> 02:38:08,209
course the conspiracy journal calm and

3757
02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:11,779
also gene I just located here's a small

3758
02:38:18,189 --> 02:38:15,770
stack of CDs Long John interviewing

3759
02:38:20,649 --> 02:38:18,199
where a Palmer and Richard shaver

3760
02:38:38,769 --> 02:38:20,659
I know those maybe 12 or 15 of them

3761
02:38:41,889 --> 02:38:38,779
email me as mister oh that's fascinating

3762
02:38:44,619 --> 02:38:41,899
you can find us the power cast calm that

3763
02:38:46,269 --> 02:38:44,629
is the power cast calm Tim Beck Lee Ray

3764
02:38:48,460 --> 02:38:46,279
Palmer thank you both so much for

3765
02:38:53,600 --> 02:38:48,470
joining us on the power cast at night

3766
02:38:59,609 --> 02:38:56,090
[Music]

3767
02:39:02,639 --> 02:38:59,619
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3768
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:02,649
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3769
02:39:09,239 --> 02:39:05,520
presentation of making the impossible